Ambulances Set on Fire in Suspected Anti Jewish Attack

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Horrible news that ambulances run by a Jewish charity have been set on fire in Golders Green today.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyj1p49gdpo

AIBU to feel it's got to to with the rise in anti Jewish hate since the allowance of horrible slogans on the weekly marches and in everyday society? What on earth makes people commit such a horrible attack.

I'm 100% with the Jewish community and pray for peace.

We don't know. That is the point I was trying to make. I don't think I've been antisemitic.

The explanations being that the Jews were being deceitful, dishonest and greedy?
When special terrorist officers, the Met Police, the London Mayor and the Prime Minister all acknowledged a terror incident?
Seriously.
Did you think that the Manchester Arena bombing was a false flag/for insurance? Or is that only Jewish targets?.

Your comment was deleted for spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories. Considering other possible explanations would not have led you to only focus on conspiracy theories claiming the Jews were behind it.

You are either intentionally doing this and just pretending to be ignorant of why blaming Jews for attacks against them is bigoted. Or you really are ignorant of the impact of your words, in which case you should reflect on the fact that you were roundly condemned for spreading hate and do some research as to where these tropes come from and who is pushing them.

It's not a good look for the site that people are allowed to repeatedly post antisemitic comments

Very true, @Twiglets1, but if people engage and drive up the number of posts I expect that'll please the advertisers

TBH I've never quite seen the point in trying to persuade antisemites out of their unreasoned hate ... if they were amenable to reason they wouldn't be antisemites in the first place ... but though I'm not a big fan of "banning things" I do agree the appalling marches should be halted, even if it's just while the Intel catches up on those who've been attending so far

The first reports of the firebombing of the ambulances stated that they belonged to a Jewish charity. Bearing in mind the recent terrorist attack in Manchester in which two Jews lost their lives it isn't far fetched at all to recognise an anti semitic attack when it happens. Nothing like the car in Liverpool where it was stated very early on that it was a lone driver with no terrorist associations. Please stop with 'suggesting other possibilities' garnered from Tick Tok and X which are blatantly untrue and distressing to the Jewish community affected.

PS It's been reported that an Islamist militant group associated with Iran is responsible for yesterday's attack. Seems more likely than your 'other possible explanations'.

@BlueJuniper94 - let me recommend some reading for you. Someone gave me a book called "Jews Don't Count" by David Baddiel. It really opened my eyes and made me more aware and reflective of the experience for Jewish people. It is a very worthwhile read.

So your solution to avoid people jumping to conclusions it was done by Islamists is to make antisemitic comments and assume Jews were responsible?

I do report, and the comments are eventually deleted, but the posters are not banned, which is shocking.

I was banned for calling a poster racist after they had posted clearly racist comments, as apparently I should have just reported. Yet the racists aren't banned...

Does attacking ambulances driven by Jewish volunteers, 'raise their profile a bit'. Seriously, I've heard it all if here. Its a hate crime or possibly terrorism, completely and utterly disgusting.

Idiots and anti semitic arsenal's sadly believe that crap. False flags is a response of someone who gets their news from tic toc

Unbelievable. Maybe some people think that Jews are beating themselves up and daubing their own synagogues, too.

I wish MN would share the IP addresses of those who post anti semitism with the police. This country needs to get tougher on antisemitism

Please @BlueJuniper94 do have a read.

I doubt someone who is small minded enough to be racist will be willing to educate themselves, unfortunately.

I do highly recommend the above book as well, though I do not agree with everything in it.

I’m glad to hear my daughter is bullying herself. Now I can stop worrying!

Honestly.

I don’t think much of this thread is doing much for my mental health but it has given me a few laughs so that’s nice.

You have 100% been antisemitic. Very obviously so with your recent post that was deleted. Like, everything about it was blatantly antisemitic. So maybe reflect on that a bit. Is this really the kind of person you want to be?

You don't have to blame Jewish people just to take the attention off Muslims. That's just fucking stupid.

And no different to St John's ambulance which is another charitable ambulance service which is supported by the Order of St John (as St John the Baptist).

They equally provide a charitable ambulance service to all faiths.

Respectfully, I haven’t speculated on the ethnicity/religion of the attackers. I am aware an Iran linked group have claimed responsibility an arrests have been made, but no confirmations or names/details have been released. Given the well documented rise in antisemitism, it is vanishingly unlikely to be anything other than an antisemitic hate crime. Unfortunately, there are multiple groups who could be responsible, and you’re right, it can’t be assumed it’s an Islamist attack.

However, the hypotheses you suggested raise a possibility that either the victims were the perpetrators (insurance fraud- which ties into the assumption of the antisemitic trope of Jews being money obsessed) or hint that Israel was somehow responsible (false flag- which implies that Israel are trying to raise an outcry about antisemitism presumably because they are often purported to be weaponising antisemitism).

If alternative hypothesis are to be suggested, why are the ones that you are suggesting smearing the victims?

Whilst I don’t necessarily agree with you Blue
I do agree that we should never point the finger until the truth comes out

You are quite right referring to the injustice done to the Liverpool Muslim community when people pointed the finger and laid blame before justice was allowed to run its course.
I agree people would do well to concider past wrongs

We are not and should never be a country that ignores justice and the right for it to run its course.

I am amazed your posts have been taken down
i do not understand why @MNHQ would take down posts that are discussing alternate reasons for the arson.

There is nothing wrong with Your posts seeking the right for communities not to be automatically blamed.

There is Nothing!!!! anti semitic about allowing justice to run its course
There is Nothing!!! anti semitic in discussing alternate possibilities.
Posters calling you/ your posts antisemitic are wrong and MNHQ should have deleted them but most are worded so as not to be obviously a direct attack.

You are
quite brave posting here though Blue. I can only assume the sheer number of people who reported your posts is the reason for them to be taken down
I’ve seen similar before when people stand alone on CEM threads. There’s a pile on, deletions and they aren’t seen for days

In terms of the Arson attack
As it stands see this from Sky news

‘ Islamist group Harakat Ashab al-Yamin al-Islamia (HAYI) has claimed responsibility online for the attack, which police have said is so far being treated as an antisemitic hate crime rather than a terror attack.
The newly formed group is believed to be aligned with Iran and appears to have posted a video on Telegram showing a map of the location of the attack and the ambulances on fire.

The Metropolitan Police said earlier this week that detectives were aware of the claim of responsibility and were working to determine its authenticity ‘

…. This was in the news on Tuesday in many news outlets
So as it stands it seems to be the main avenue the police are following

In case there’s a pile on mumsnetters
I don’t care
Everyone in this country and on MNet has a right to free speech.
Everyone is innocent before proven guilty
For ‘ those who caste the first stone ‘ I challenge the moral superiority of those who judge

If we could all care for everyone equally across the world maybe one day we can all live in harmony.

Agree
It is not antisemitic and I do wish people would stop watering down the meaning of the term.

Witch hunts had serious flaws and we should wait for police clarification on the perpetrators

A good point Ella
we should judge no one

You just judged people on this thread. "Witch hunt" indeed....

And ignored @EllaDisenchanted 's point asking why the poster was only interested in speculating about Jews being behind the attacks.

Quite.

St John’s Ambulance ( both in terms of nhs support and training ) is all over the country and in all major hubs plus in other countries.

They both do excellent much need work of course but they are not the same