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Racism in uk

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Charltonstrek · 18/03/2026 10:30

Im finding the level of racism here in the UK to be very unsettling and it seems to be getting worse and im finding it depressing as I have a Muslim partner and I wonder if there is a future here for him. Ive mostly witnessed this on social media with some very derogatory comments anybody else or am I too sensitive

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Pineneedlesincarpet · 19/03/2026 14:58

Also, why are we calling a spanner a "wrench" now? Important point.

Basquervill · 19/03/2026 15:02

Rupert Lowe seems to be doing extremely well. So I guess British people have started to feel that they have over extended their good nature, to their own detriment.

If that’s what you call racism, the meaning of the word has been lost. Which, of course, everyone knows is the case. Apart from those not paying attention.

5128gap · 19/03/2026 15:14

Naunet · 19/03/2026 12:51

How many white people are going around beating up Muslims and yelling racial slurs? Or do actual numbers only matter in one direction? Also why exactly can't we hate Islam? I hate all religion, yet its only this one people have a problem with me hating, why is that?

Tell MAMA reported 6313 cases in 2024. The police reported 4478 cases. I don't know if the perpetrators were white (does it matter?) or the number of crimes per perpetrator so not perfect numbers, but some to be going on with.
I don't think anyone had said you can't hate Islam, have they? I think its when people hate other people simply because they are followers of Islam that the criticism begins. However, you can even hate Muslims if you like. Provided you don't turn your emotions into actions that harm people, you're free to hate who you like.

5128gap · 19/03/2026 15:21

Pineneedlesincarpet · 19/03/2026 14:58

Also, why are we calling a spanner a "wrench" now? Important point.

Probably for the same reason we're calling EDI DEI, the PCs in the EA 'identity politics' and are being encouraged to believe there are hammer and sickle wielding monsters under our beds.

LadyVioletBridgerton · 19/03/2026 15:31

I’m not racist. However, apparently a white person isn’t allowed to call a person of colour out on any sort of bad behaviour without being called a racist these days.

nomoreforks · 19/03/2026 15:41

Everyone is angry these days and they align themselves with different groups of people to complain about other groups of people. This is exacerbated by bots on social media which i guess come from lots of different dodgy sources (china, russis,iran, US and so on). The bots try to encourage hatred between different groups of people. It is difficult to see racism against one group in isolation as it is all different racial groups from different groups. It is not just race though , it can be nationality, sex, disability, age, weight etc.. Social media encourages people to hate other groups of people.

ToWhitToWhoo · 19/03/2026 16:05

It's not a competition. AntIsemitIsm AND Islamophobia are horrible and have both increased recently (though probably neither is as bad as 50 years ago). Both are unacceptable, and neither justifies or minimizes the other- or for that matter any other form of racism.

Social media, especially Twitter/X, has a very very baleful influence.

ToWhitToWhoo · 19/03/2026 16:07

Basquervill · 19/03/2026 15:02

Rupert Lowe seems to be doing extremely well. So I guess British people have started to feel that they have over extended their good nature, to their own detriment.

If that’s what you call racism, the meaning of the word has been lost. Which, of course, everyone knows is the case. Apart from those not paying attention.

Rpert Lowe is a monster of pure evil. And he isn't doing that well, though Farage unfortunately is.

CatSpells · 19/03/2026 16:37

nomas · 19/03/2026 13:20

Hardly comparable. CST were given £18 million by Keir Starmer for one year, Tell Mama were given £500k.

Now I know you're being disingenuous. At first you stated there were no official bodies to which Muslim hate crime could be reported which skewed official data, and once corrected, say yeah, but they receive a lot less funding.... What's that got to do with anything? Why would that impact Muslims ability to report? C'mon now. Stop with the whataboutery.

5128gap · 19/03/2026 16:47

CatSpells · 19/03/2026 16:37

Now I know you're being disingenuous. At first you stated there were no official bodies to which Muslim hate crime could be reported which skewed official data, and once corrected, say yeah, but they receive a lot less funding.... What's that got to do with anything? Why would that impact Muslims ability to report? C'mon now. Stop with the whataboutery.

In fairness it impacts it a lot. The more money an organisation receives the better it can promote its service to its target audience. The more access points it can create and staff, the more reports it can recieve.

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 19/03/2026 16:54

Busybeemumm · 18/03/2026 11:46

Where is your evidence for this? We had an MP who compared Muslim women wearing the burka as 'letter boxes' and still went on to be PM. Imagine if something like that was said about Jewish women who wear wigs?!

That’s not really racist though is it. The wearing of full face covering is based on religion.

There nay be a perception if increased racism due to the media and certain politically motivated people yelling racism at every opportunity, like at Suella Braverman for raising the specific issue of the grooming gangs comprising men originating from Pakistan. Her political opponents went to town on that.

It shouldn’t be deemed racist to call out bad behaviour by a specific group.

CatSpells · 19/03/2026 16:56

5128gap · 19/03/2026 16:47

In fairness it impacts it a lot. The more money an organisation receives the better it can promote its service to its target audience. The more access points it can create and staff, the more reports it can recieve.

Really? They're extremely well promoted, even outside the community. I'd be extremely surprised if anyone hadn't heard of them. There's numerous ways to report hate crime, you can do it via email for one.

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 19/03/2026 17:04

CatSpells · 19/03/2026 12:33

You're kidding right? Have you not heard of The British Muslim trust, who replaced tell mama for reporting hate crimes against Muslims? They've existed since 2012! It's very divisive to insist only one religious faith has these government funded services.

Yes exactly. It is not in the interests of the organisation receiving government funds to discover and monitor Islamophobia to not find any.

The trouble as well is that the definition of Islamophobia is so broad it catches many things, even normal criticism of anti social or potentially criminal behaviour. Even then per capita it is pretty low.

We also don’t have proper reporting of the proportion Islamophobia coming from other ethnic groups who have brought their entrenched rivalries here from their home countries. It is all blamed on us OG Brits.

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 19/03/2026 17:16

5128gap · 19/03/2026 15:14

Tell MAMA reported 6313 cases in 2024. The police reported 4478 cases. I don't know if the perpetrators were white (does it matter?) or the number of crimes per perpetrator so not perfect numbers, but some to be going on with.
I don't think anyone had said you can't hate Islam, have they? I think its when people hate other people simply because they are followers of Islam that the criticism begins. However, you can even hate Muslims if you like. Provided you don't turn your emotions into actions that harm people, you're free to hate who you like.

I don't know if the perpetrators were white (does it matter?)

Yes it matters quite a lot when we are being blamed for it. Attacks between ethnic groups are an issue as they bring entrenched rivalries with them from their home countries. That is not our fault. That is due to a political decision made by people who are then punishing us for dissent.

When OP and many in the government wish to shut down our free speech and further punish us it matters very much.

5128gap · 19/03/2026 17:18

CatSpells · 19/03/2026 16:56

Really? They're extremely well promoted, even outside the community. I'd be extremely surprised if anyone hadn't heard of them. There's numerous ways to report hate crime, you can do it via email for one.

Yes, but they still require a response. HCRC have trained staff who interview the person, allow them to talk if they want to, give advice, signpost to help as needed. They support with form completion and liaise with the police. Then they complete records and process data. It's not simply a matter if going 'there's another one' and adding it to a list of stats. It takes time and staff and that takes money.
I'm making no comment on which problem is the greater. I'm simply correcting the misapprehension that resources don't impact ability to report.

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 19/03/2026 17:29

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I’m brown
i haven’t ever reported a hate crime. It just didn’t occur to me.
Even though I’ve experienced lots of it.

CatSpells · 19/03/2026 17:40

5128gap · 19/03/2026 17:18

Yes, but they still require a response. HCRC have trained staff who interview the person, allow them to talk if they want to, give advice, signpost to help as needed. They support with form completion and liaise with the police. Then they complete records and process data. It's not simply a matter if going 'there's another one' and adding it to a list of stats. It takes time and staff and that takes money.
I'm making no comment on which problem is the greater. I'm simply correcting the misapprehension that resources don't impact ability to report.

What is hcrc? Yes, agree that all reports require a follow up. Of course. But there are a plethora of ways people can report, if there were only one access point then yes, it'd be problematic. That's true of all hate crime. You can walk into any advice bureau for one, and they'll do it for you if you prefer, along with the follow up.

thestudio · 19/03/2026 19:40

dizzydizzydizzy · 18/03/2026 18:41

I’m surprised that people are saying it was worse. I’m in my late 50s and I think it is the worst it has ever been. I think it is because a lot of people have been struggling for a long time and they want someone to blame which is understandable. They should be blaming successive governments but instead are blaming people who look different. It’s a story as old at the hills.

It feels to me (born early 60s London) that it's not as widespread or as open - but i do feel that there's a kind of meanness to it now which wasn't so much to the fore then.

I remember seeing fly posters showing black people as muggers and nazi symbol /NFgraffiti often.The National Front / skinheads were marching in London - they were openly racist against black and brown people, they didn't give a fuck about hiding it. But they were generally considered by people who were in the middle - anyone from the upper working class up - to be what everyone called Yobboes (sp?). 'Normal' people generally tutted about it, it was associated with violence and people are generally anti-violence because it's destabilising. So it wasn't necessarily that everyone was all peace and love - they just didn't like yobboes or violence.

I was in two worlds in my twenties - the posh world would happily say 'Lovely guy, but of course, he's a y*d' and Jews weren't allowed in their gentlemen's clubs/stockbroker companies (whatever the word was). I'd been brought up in a literary environment, with the Holocaust discussed often - my idea of what Jewishness was was really informed by the books I read and the films I saw, mostly from New York and the East Coast. Jews were 'cultured' (lol - also racist, looking back) and I was absolutely appalled, but also genuinely astonished, that the English upper classes could be so openly anti-semitic. It's not that I thought everyone felt as I did - I just didn't expect them to not care about looking like bigoted cunts.

In the rapidly gentrifying East London areas that I'm familiar with, there's a really uneasy mixture - very wealthy people living cheek by jowl with, but completely blind to, two communities.

The first is an established but insular immigrant community with values that the wealthy people would be appalled by if they were expressed at one of their dinner parties.

The second is the white working/not-working class, which has partially absorbed some immigration in the sense that women have had kids with men from immigrant communities. Those men may or may not be present in their children's lives, and those children may or may not be acknowledged by the established immigrant community. Either way, the white working class is also fucked off, feels 'left behind', enough to be pretty racist, even if they have or know kids who are mixed race.

It all feels fucked, to be honest. I don't want to be in the gentrified bits, and I don't want to be in the ungentrified bits. I used to yearn for a posh deli where I live - now, to me, it's two sides of the same globalised capitalism coin.

But that's really different from what's going on outside London and other major cities, where some communities have been massively impacted by immigration in its various forms (ie legal, illegal, asylum-based). It's insanity to think that those communities - just as insular in their own way as the London immigrant ones in East London - are not going to notice and push back.

Particularly since there's a really awful paradox in both legal and illegal immigration.The men come first - because they're stronger and if the women came first they would be raped. But those men are men first and foremost, and men rape women. And maybe men who come from conservative cultures believe that women who have agency are fair game, and rape more - maybe not. But single men injected into a new culture are a problem.

Obviously, the rest of the time, white British men are not marching to stop their fellow white British men from raping. If they were, everything would be solved instantly eh.

Of course, white men who do the 'they're raping our women' thing are just angry that someone has stolen their property. They don't give a fuck about raped women. But ... there is a problem when single men are injected into a new culture.

And then, there are the swathes of white english towns that aren't really affected by this in any meaningful sense, but have a general feeling that 'things have gone wrong, these immigrants actively hate us.'

See my earlier post for how we could have insisted on a hierarchy of equality values to present this.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 19/03/2026 19:46

thestudio · 19/03/2026 19:40

It feels to me (born early 60s London) that it's not as widespread or as open - but i do feel that there's a kind of meanness to it now which wasn't so much to the fore then.

I remember seeing fly posters showing black people as muggers and nazi symbol /NFgraffiti often.The National Front / skinheads were marching in London - they were openly racist against black and brown people, they didn't give a fuck about hiding it. But they were generally considered by people who were in the middle - anyone from the upper working class up - to be what everyone called Yobboes (sp?). 'Normal' people generally tutted about it, it was associated with violence and people are generally anti-violence because it's destabilising. So it wasn't necessarily that everyone was all peace and love - they just didn't like yobboes or violence.

I was in two worlds in my twenties - the posh world would happily say 'Lovely guy, but of course, he's a y*d' and Jews weren't allowed in their gentlemen's clubs/stockbroker companies (whatever the word was). I'd been brought up in a literary environment, with the Holocaust discussed often - my idea of what Jewishness was was really informed by the books I read and the films I saw, mostly from New York and the East Coast. Jews were 'cultured' (lol - also racist, looking back) and I was absolutely appalled, but also genuinely astonished, that the English upper classes could be so openly anti-semitic. It's not that I thought everyone felt as I did - I just didn't expect them to not care about looking like bigoted cunts.

In the rapidly gentrifying East London areas that I'm familiar with, there's a really uneasy mixture - very wealthy people living cheek by jowl with, but completely blind to, two communities.

The first is an established but insular immigrant community with values that the wealthy people would be appalled by if they were expressed at one of their dinner parties.

The second is the white working/not-working class, which has partially absorbed some immigration in the sense that women have had kids with men from immigrant communities. Those men may or may not be present in their children's lives, and those children may or may not be acknowledged by the established immigrant community. Either way, the white working class is also fucked off, feels 'left behind', enough to be pretty racist, even if they have or know kids who are mixed race.

It all feels fucked, to be honest. I don't want to be in the gentrified bits, and I don't want to be in the ungentrified bits. I used to yearn for a posh deli where I live - now, to me, it's two sides of the same globalised capitalism coin.

But that's really different from what's going on outside London and other major cities, where some communities have been massively impacted by immigration in its various forms (ie legal, illegal, asylum-based). It's insanity to think that those communities - just as insular in their own way as the London immigrant ones in East London - are not going to notice and push back.

Particularly since there's a really awful paradox in both legal and illegal immigration.The men come first - because they're stronger and if the women came first they would be raped. But those men are men first and foremost, and men rape women. And maybe men who come from conservative cultures believe that women who have agency are fair game, and rape more - maybe not. But single men injected into a new culture are a problem.

Obviously, the rest of the time, white British men are not marching to stop their fellow white British men from raping. If they were, everything would be solved instantly eh.

Of course, white men who do the 'they're raping our women' thing are just angry that someone has stolen their property. They don't give a fuck about raped women. But ... there is a problem when single men are injected into a new culture.

And then, there are the swathes of white english towns that aren't really affected by this in any meaningful sense, but have a general feeling that 'things have gone wrong, these immigrants actively hate us.'

See my earlier post for how we could have insisted on a hierarchy of equality values to present this.

Edited

Think this post is a bit mental. What do you mean by "The men come first - because they're stronger and if the women came first they would be raped" for a start?

Skybunnee · 19/03/2026 21:17

Well , imprisoning people for making racist threats on social media and now making laws against anti Muslim comments -not any other religion - just Muslim -especially as it was fear of being accused of being racist which stopped any of th police, social services etc calling out the grooming gangs. Thats the way to make people angry.

inamarina · 19/03/2026 22:12

Pineneedlesincarpet · 19/03/2026 19:46

Think this post is a bit mental. What do you mean by "The men come first - because they're stronger and if the women came first they would be raped" for a start?

I’m not pp, but I think what they’re referring to here is how it’s usually explained why it’s often young men arriving in boats seeking asylum.
People say that the men take the difficult route and leave women behind because the journey is dangerous for women. The idea is that once the men are granted asylum they can get their wives over (via family reunification route I assume?)

Pineneedlesincarpet · 19/03/2026 22:18

inamarina · 19/03/2026 22:12

I’m not pp, but I think what they’re referring to here is how it’s usually explained why it’s often young men arriving in boats seeking asylum.
People say that the men take the difficult route and leave women behind because the journey is dangerous for women. The idea is that once the men are granted asylum they can get their wives over (via family reunification route I assume?)

Ok I see what you personally mean. That's not quite what the PP said though? She should be clearer in these febrile times IMHO.

LoyalMember · 19/03/2026 22:22

The uncontrolled immigration has caused a lot of this. You can't bring in millions of people from completely different cultures and expect everyone just to rub along together.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 20/03/2026 00:21

It’s not a justification for racism though.

It’s increased imo but not as bad as it was in the 70s/80s. In those if someone shouted something h racist I knew I was in my own. But these days it feels different. Others will step in.

Think SM skews things and people post extreme things.

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