Racism in uk

[Charltonstrek]

Im finding the level of racism here in the UK to be very unsettling and it seems to be getting worse and im finding it depressing as I have a Muslim partner and I wonder if there is a future here for him. Ive mostly witnessed this on social media with some very derogatory comments anybody else or am I too sensitive

Shabana mahmood has been called allsorts for her immigration stance mostly by the far left (i wont repeat them here as I don't want banned but they're pretty racist).
The greens are currently campaigning for an open border policy.
Your comment about racists attacking immigrants proves my point, im talking about reasonable discussions and coming to a fair consensus and you jump to racists attacking immigrants

Brits buying second homes in Spain and pricing out locals is a different issue to asylum seekers subsisting on £9.95 per week in the UK.

The racists I'm referring to (as per my previous post) are the ones who tried to burn down a hotel of asylum seekers.

Are you saying those people weren't racist?

Well we have the greens, atifa, just stop oil, Palestinian action to name but a few we have a huge problem with the far left in this country and the more people deny it the worse it gets and the more it drives people to the far right.
Both extremes are equally bad and both need to be called out and tackled

No im not but you didn't specify who you were talking about, you just through in a comment about racists attacking immigrants with no context which kinda proves my point along with your attempted gotcha.
Its clear that you dont want a reasonable discussion on this subject so I won't be responding to you anymore

Racists will be racists don’t make excuses for them, no one makes them that way, it’s who they choose to be.

The Greens are not 'far left'. They are an uneasy mix of trad left and liberalism. And have only 5 MPs. The other groups are activists mobilising around specific issues that do not necessarily align with left wing ideology, and regardless have no legislative power, and are not taken seriously by the mainstream electorate.
So in what way do you believe the 'far left' are a huge problem? What does the problem look like in practice?

Come spend a week in Scotland and see what happens when a few greens get power and then come and talk to me about what the greens are and are capable of doing after you've read polanskies green manifesto.
As for the other groups I mentioned they are no better than any of the far right groups.
What you call trad left are generally far left now its just that you haven't noticed the massive shift to the left in the Overton window

Indeed. Come to Scotland and see the crazy policies of left wing loonies in action. It’s shameful. I’d say they’re easily more extreme than Reform.

@Clavinova
the treaty between the UK and Ireland would make no difference to these idiots. Many who came from the Caribbean and Asia after the war came when these countries were part of the Commonwealth and were entitled to be here and work here, as were my parents. The difference being their descendants are black and im white.

I don't support the Greens. They have some policies I agree with but others I find very problematic. They would get my vote only with great reluctance if it was the only way to keep what I see as the greater overall threat of Reform at bay.
I think I struggle with 'far left' being used as an umbrella term for any flotsam and jetsam niche activism, some of which I agree is dangerous, even where the ideology in question is chasms apart from left wing values.
It discredits left wing politics, sometimes inadvertently due lack of understanding of what left really means, sometimes deliberately to garner support for the right.
And no, I really haven't noticed a massive shift to the left. What does that look like to you?

You’ve just demonstrated how little you understand stats- there are far more Muslims than Jews in the uk - the table shows how LIKELY people are to be attacked based on their religion.

I do understand stats. The starting point is that there are double the attacks on Muslims. If you want to present further data on a population level, then do that.

The second point is that Muslims don’t have a body such as the CST to help them report crime. Most Muslims don’t report hate crimes because they know very little will be done.

You're kidding right? Have you not heard of The British Muslim trust, who replaced tell mama for reporting hate crimes against Muslims? They've existed since 2012! It's very divisive to insist only one religious faith has these government funded services.

Identity politics and an ever more authoritarian government are the main symptoms along with mangling of actual left wing politics to punish anyone who works hard and saves for a future its becoming the politics of envy and it's bad for everyone.
Your complaint about flotsam being labelled as far left could be put for the groups that are labelled far right and nazis like sex matters and for women Scotland, they're not right or left wing groups but because they stand up for women as a sex class and reject gender ideology they are labelled as such but thays identity politics for you

How many white people are going around beating up Muslims and yelling racial slurs? Or do actual numbers only matter in one direction? Also why exactly can't we hate Islam? I hate all religion, yet its only this one people have a problem with me hating, why is that?

Sound bites like 'politics of envy' and 'punishment for hard work' are dog whistles for privileged people who want to pay low tax. And while I understand their self interest, what is a problem for them personally isn't necessarily a problem for society. (I don't expect us to agree on that!)
I'm not aware that anyone but TRAs would label FWS and SM as far right, and think its extremely unfortunate that GC people in general have been lumped in with the far right. I suppose its a bit like tigers and big cats, all right wingers are sex realists but not all sex realists are right wing. As evidenced by the Communist Party.

Bit vague.
These are the ones that are "tired of hypocrisy" according to you. What evidence do you have to support that.

I suppose it depends on your interpretation of what tax is reasonable and what tax is unreasonable. If you earn £75k to £100k in Scotland your marginal tax rate is 45% (47% if you include NICs). If you earn £100k to £125k it’s 67%. Add 9% student loan repayments to these amounts and it looks pretty hard left to me. These rates were lower but increased due to pressure by the Scottish greens. A lot of these taxes are avoided by people just choosing not to work as hard (see the latest IFS press release). This is hard left policy in action.

Hardly comparable. CST were given £18 million by Keir Starmer for one year, Tell Mama were given £500k.

Dog whistles is a far left identity politics slogan ment to shit debate down.
Sorry to disappoint you and throw a wrench in your theory but im not rich or privalliged. I'm from a working class family and worked hard all my life even with my disabilities until I had to give up work to care for my extremely disabled child.
People can disagree about how we spend our tax money and how much tax should be paid but this government is taxing us into destitution as a country destroying the ability of ordinary people to start businesses and create jobs.

I think you're being very disingenuous. The reason for the difference in funding is obvious (CST provide physical security services) and is not relevant to how much each organisation supports the reporting of hate crime.

Then they should learn how to speak English

I’m not saying it’s necessarily a bad thing, I just don’t really see it as a sign of integration.
I’m an immigrant myself. If the town I live in in the UK facilitated/allowed a festival for people from my culture in a public place, I would just see it as a friendly gesture from the town’s side.

And dismissing a belief in greater wealth equality as 'politics of envy' isn't designed to shut down debate? Rather than ask people why they believe it, an assumption is made that they're coming from a place of jealousy, emotionally rather than intellectually driven. Its belittling and designed to discredit.
Similarly aping US terminology to refer the evidenced belief that some people in society by virtue of certain characteristics will likely struggle harder to achieve less, because society works for people who are not them, is reductive.
You haven't thrown a wrench in my theory. Lots of WC people lean to the right, as shown by the popularity of Reform. Clearly the government are getting it wrong for many WC people with their taxation policies. However they're not getting it wrong because they're 'hard left'.