Racism in uk

[Charltonstrek]

Im finding the level of racism here in the UK to be very unsettling and it seems to be getting worse and im finding it depressing as I have a Muslim partner and I wonder if there is a future here for him. Ive mostly witnessed this on social media with some very derogatory comments anybody else or am I too sensitive

I think you are right OP although the biggest thing I have noticed on SM is the level of hatred towards Jewish people (not Israelis).

Why does OPs distress not be supported in its own right. Why do you feel the need to suggest that Jews have it worse.

If an OP on another thread was talking about domestic violence, would it be necessary to say 'that's sad however some husbands are even worse than yours!'

That’s what I thought, I was here for the start of the thread and I don’t remember you saying anything anti-Semitic at all.

I'm not saying that it is however for those who come here legally and jump through the ridiculously expensive system to get idl its a real kick in the teeth

Yeah, I also think it's racist to conflate the actions of Israel with the Jewish people, in much the same way it would be racist (or, more likely, sectarian) to conflate the actions of the Italian government with all Catholics.

But there is a lot of "this person thinks Neyanyahu should stop bombing preschoolers, so they are anti-Semitic" in the media, to be honest. Which I also think is anti-Semitic, so the argument eats its own tail.

I’ve said things like ‘My parents were Irish, should I be sent to Ireland even though I’ve never lived there, or can I stay in the UK cos I’m white?’ I’ve also said ‘Cliff Richard was born in India, should he be living in the UK and be a British citizen?’ (According to them ‘being born in a stable doesn’t make you a horse’ so all Black people need to go back to Africa, cos of course that’s where all non white people come from

I've just looked up Cliff Richard's time in India. Interestingly;

The Webbs knew no home other than India but it was the mid-40s and independence for India was looming. The only question was ‘when’.

Nationalist tensions were at their peak and Turner in his biography mentions an incident where Cliff’s mother was heckled on the street during the ‘Direct Action’ called by the Muslim League. “Go back to your own country, white woman!” someone shouted at her.

https://www.livehistoryindia.com/story/snapshort-histories-making-of-modern-india/cliff-richard

Britain and Ireland have what is known as the Common Travel Area (established in the 1920s) which allows British and Irish citizens to move freely, live and work in either country.

So what? How did it hurt you?

I worked elsewhere in Europe with refugees in the past and the number of Iraqi’s claiming to be Christians fleeing persecution makes me think Iraqi isn’t a good place to be a Christian. I wasn’t convinced they were Christian tbh more using any excuse to get out of living in tough conditions in Iraq, but they were bloody lovely, intelligent, jolly people so I didn’t really care.

I also find many people spouting "we are a christian nation" and "we are under threat from muslims" - I also ask those individuals "when was the last time you stepped foot inside of a church or got involved in a compassion project?" (such as feeding the homeless, helping the less fortunate etc) the answer is nearly always the same.
The only way you will keep your traditions alive is to live them yourself and to encourage others. True believers (who have read scripture) live like Jesus. A lot of the radical right would have Jesus deported if he ever came back.
I have never met a Jewish or Muslim person who wasn't kind. Maybe I have just been lucky? You get bad eggs in all groups of people.

Can you not understand that they were a subjugated people rising up against British rule?

It’s a shame when innocents are caught up in conflict.

It’s because immigration is out of control that racism seems to have become more prevalent. How many young men are we going to keep letting into this country for them to just sell drugs, sign on and then assault young girls ? I have no issue with immigrants who come here and work, who put into the country, who make an effort to speak the language. My issue is with these men that come here to abuse the system and then break the law.

Blaming it on immigration just excuses racists.

You can campaign against immigration without being racist.

If women post about misogyny, we're usually told 'not all men'. Apparently that means its all ok. Funny how that's never used in any other setting. Not all whites, so its all ok people.

Just say you don’t like Muslims and be done with it your hatred for them is really shining through.

I’m in London and live alongside and work with many Muslims, not one has ever tried to convert me in 30+ years.

Who cares if they were gathered together in Trafalgar Sq, do you object to China Town which is just around the corner?

You cant campaign against immigration without being called a far right racist whether you are either far right or racist or not.
When everyone who questions or campaigns against illegal immigration is smeared with the same brush it drives people towards racism and the far right as they can see ordinary non racists like themselves smeared as far right racists so they start to listen to the people who are rightly called far right and/or racist assuming that they are also being wrongly smeared. All to soon being called far right and/or racist become meaningless in the same way that transphobia has become a meaningless word as everything is transphobic

I bet they have to pay for their own interpreters though don't they !!

Its a better life than they had, or they wouldn't be coming here, would they? How much more do you think British tax payers should be doing for them? Paying them £50 a week? £100? And that's on top of the dental bills (funny how I've not been able to get an NHS dentist for years, nor has anyone in my family), health care, food, housing, legal costs, phone bills. We really are a bunch of bastards arent we?

How exactly is a massive display of your own culture/ religious beliefs in a host country automatically a sign of integration?

I experienced racism growing up as a Chinese kid in an area where myself and 4 others were the only kids out of a thousand at our school who were not white.

It’s pretty obvious to me that anti Muslim rhetoric rose after 9/11 and then after 7/7.

There is also the oppression of women being expected to dress a certain way.

When my Dad arrived as an immigrant he wasn’t an asylum seeker and had papers that clearly showed who he was. He also arrived with plenty of money to open a restaurant, no hand outs received.

It’s all about economics for me and really that’s at the root of many concerns about immigration. I do not like the rise in asylum seekers. Guilt tripped white Liberals are always the most pro asylum seekers supporters. My MIL is like this, she lives in an incredibly rich part of Surrey and is never going to have to worry about an HMO being next to her. White guilt will destroy the West because as a knee jerk response it has fuelled the rise of the Right, not Conservatism the actual extreme right.

No, I think immigration is an excuse. How many illegal immigrants are actually young men on benefits who sell drugs and assault young women? And even if it was the reality, how does that explain the anti Muslim sentiment we are seeing directed at Muslims in general?
On this thread alone we've had people moaning about Muslim children having a day less education because they celebrate Eid. Tall stories objecting to women swimming in burkas and toddlers in hijab, which funnily enough only anti Muslims ever seem to see. We've had calls to ban Muslim women from covering their hair, to prevent Muslims congregating peacefully in public. Communities call 'ghettos'. People falsely accused of not speaking English and stats disproving that ignored. Positive accounts of Muslim communities ignored. People claiming that there's a conspiracy with the government to ban people from religious freedom and force convert us all to Islam.
None of this is due to a genuine concern about immigration. Its Islamophobia that these individuals have kept under wraps until the immigration issue emboldened them to reveal themselves.

'All to soon being called far right and/or racist become meaningless in the same way that transphobia has become a meaningless word as everything is transphobic'

This is true. Criticise something and you are immediately labelled a bigot or a 'racist' or a 'phobe'.

It is bizarre how stating that we don't want thousands of young, fighting age men entering the country illegally from places full of warped ideology and extremists means we are racist.

Muslim isn’t a race, it’s a religion, first of all. Second pointing out that certain groups are having a negative impact as a whole does not mean that every member of that group is horrible. I’m sure your partner is lovely but that doesn’t mean we should ignore the problems caused by the group on the whole.

No, I'm not buying that. There's a massive difference between an objective concern about the number of immigrants coming into the country, the difficulties in supporting them and how viable that is, and the sort of comments we've seen on this thread alone. People have not been discussing immigrants, they've been discussing Muslims in general, applying negative stereotypes and fear mongering hyperbole.
To suggest the people calling out this as the Islamophobia it is are responsible for creating far right racists is as ridiculous as suggesting women calling out male VAWG are responsible for a rise in misogyny, and simply a way to silence anti racists. Just as the accusations of transphobia and misandry are used to silence feminists.

Totally agree with this. The immigrants of the 60's/70's have in general done really well (it was the poor white working class we felt sorry for) - how is that remotely possible in a "racist" country?

The simple fact is even on this thread where some posters are bringing up the level of immigration and the problems its causing they are being called racist, far right reform voters etc.
Yes some of the comments are borderline anti Islam (any actual islamaphobia would have been deleted) but the accusations of racism and far right reform voters is thrown at everyone.
It might not fit with the far left narrative but its true when you lie and smear everyone who disagrees with you as phobic, bigoted, racist or far right you create a situation where those words become meaningless and drive people who would normally be left wing or centrist to the right and far right. The far left are driving the rise in racism that the far right are exploiting.
Maybe if the far left would stop all the name calling and abusive tactics and actually listened to the valid concerns of most people we could come to a reasonable solution that didn't involve open borders or removal of all immigrants. But until the far left stop all the smear campaigns and violent disorder they will keep creating the far right problems