Nigel Farage behaviour during talk about Dunblane shooting

[MikeRafone]

Whatever anyone thinks of handguns, 5 year olds died due to gun shot injuries and some respect should be shown by all MPs whatever side they represent

as he sat during the talk smirking

He is a hideous human regardless of his politics

If only one adult in the house has a firearms licence they must ensure the other cannot access them. The keys to access the firearms should be in a place only the licenced individual knows about. My father had a shotgun licence for many years. When the police came round for the inspection, on more than one occasion, they in passing asked my mother where the keys were. Had she known the answer that would have been considered a breech of the licence and would have gone against the renewal.

To call it a knee jerk reaction is very disrespectful to the parents of those children who died. It downplays what they did for laws to be changed.

But in addition to that, the number one cause of death in children in the US is by gun.

The damage that Nigel Farage in power would likely be irreversible.

@BiggermommabearWTAF are you on? Your spouting nonsense!
Someone wielding a knife can do far less damage than that same individual could with a gun. Fact.
Being stabbed is shit. Being shot is equally shit. Neither is a nice way to be injured or killed.
But the fact is that in the same period of time an individual with a knife will kill or injure far fewer people than they could with a gun.
It’s not rocket science.

@LakieLady "Farmers might also have grounds to keep a handgun, I guess."

See info from HSA (Humane Slaughter Association) (My italics)

"In the UK, some handguns are exempt from the general ban on their ownership brought in under the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997. An exemption is granted provided the guns are used solely for the humane destruction of animals and that this purpose is clearly stated on the individual’s Firearm Certificate. In an effort to reduce the potential for criminal use, some licensing authorities may put pressure on the operator to have the capacity of the magazine or cylinder reduced to one or two shots. The HSA recommends that owners of such weapons hand them in to the local police authority and equip themselves with a purpose-built .32 humane killer. Such a weapon should come supplied with the correct ammunition."

There are probably Reform members who regard laws against DV as "woke" and think we should go back to the days when it was ok to beat your wife, as long as you didn't use a stick that was thicker than your thumb.

I don't have a 5 year old child so I didn't open any can of worms.

"ok to beat your wife, as long as you didn't use a stick that was thicker than your thumb."

A similar verse occurs in the Koran v 4:36

Care to comment on that?

I used to know someone who went game shooting. He had to keep his shotgun in a locked gun cabinet securely bolted to the wall, inside a built in cupboard that had to be locked with a padlock and hasp.

He was fine with it, apart from the fact that it was infuriating to have to unlock and relock the built-in cupboard every time he wanted to get the ironing board or the hoover out! For the first few years he had his gun, the police used to call round occasionally, to check that he was storing them in accordance with his licence.

The police here are very strict about revoking licences, too. I've known of cases where people have had their licences taken away because they've been caught drinking and driving, and the revocation has been upheld on appeal. The police position is that if someone is reckless and irresponsible enough to drink and drive, they're too reckless to be trusted with a firearm.

I only know it from an 18th century Gilray cartoon, that supposedly lampoons an English judge who made such a ruling.

Maybe the judge had studied the Koran at some point.

Your powers of reading comprehension don't seem great, @Biggermommabear. The post I've quoted is the post you seemed to think @ilovesooty had posted. It is quite obviously from a teacher saying that children in year 5 in the English school system (so aged between 9 and 10) would be capable of grasping that saying fewer people are likely to die in a knife attack than a gun attack is not saying it's better to be stabbed than shot. Obviously nobody wants either form of attack to happen, but nobody wants any form of crime to happen. We put measures in place to try to prevent crime and minimise the harm done when crimes of violence do happen anyway. Banning handguns was a sensible and proportionate measure which as far as I'm aware has indeed meant that gun crime in the UK has remained very low ever since.

I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse or if you just have comprehension difficulties, but of course ‘a year 5 child could understand that’ is an entirely different sentence with an entirely different meaning to ‘my year 5 child understands that’.

How many children were killed there ?

I had to take an intercity train the day after the shooting. People were openly crying as they saw the papers.

I think his appeal is greatest with ppl who want to tear down everything and start again,..... driven by their seemingly nihilistic hatred of anything that doesnt conform to a narrow, skewed idea of what it means to be British. I think a kind of chaos would be created were NF to get into No.10 ..... served up as ' progress', by an increasingly '1984' style PR machine....and a series of half- baked, ill thought through policies would be rushed out into the void created by the chaos. Eurgh !!!!

Hi folks, this thread is being reported a fair bit and so we think it's worth saying that we’re happy for people to disagree – it would be a very quiet site if everyone nodded politely at each other all day. But the thread is starting to slide from arguing the point into arguing about each other. If you want it to stay up, you’ll need to rein that in a bit. By all means challenge the argument as robustly as you like, just leave the personal remarks out of it. Thanks.

I don't understand anyone on this thread saying the ban on handguns was excessive?
It was a fantastic move and has done much to keep this country safer from gun crime.

Honestly, bar opening packets of bacon, i dont really use the pointy bit

Even for a paring knife, there could be amendments made to make them not suitable for stabbing with

We have an epidemic in the UK- something needs to be done. This wouldn't be radically expensive, and is an easy fix to keep our kids safe

Also - fuck farage.

Well, I don’t know why anyone is surprised after the stream of claims he was a racist, antisemitic bully at school. He’s truly grim but for some reason Hannah Spencer’s accent and colourful clothes are worse.

Vote for Nigel if you want school shootings like they have in the US over here. The gun companies would love to sell more here and will line Nigel's pocket to be able to

Since Dunblane, no school has had a shooting incident.

Yet in that time 700 plus USA school shootings. Not all had people killed or died later from injuries.

I don't know if you are trying to be genuinely helpful, by educating me on the subtle nuances of the English language, or you truly don't understand what is meant by an "ad hominem" attack.

Here's the definition - HTH

"Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background.... "

He’s smirking safe in the knowledge he’s unlikely to ever be Charlie Kirked.