Starters idiotic 40k Immigration scheme

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Wtf... maybe I'm not understanding this correctly. If you didn't get asylum you get given 40k IF YOU LEAVE? And if you don't? Do you still get to stay jn hotels etc.? I'm sick to the eyeballs of this weak government's lack of taking a strong stance. Every other European country is doing better than us. I'm not saying asylum should never happen - but we are bending over backwards while our own people are suffering. My DF mother paid taxes and worked all her life ... she has to sell her beloved small family home to pay for her care- but we'll give money and what else to illegals ? This country's decisions is making my blood boil. Point based immigration where we add to jobs that we struggle to find local talent I've got zero issue with - its fair. It's time we wake up - and uv you think IABU explain why plse ....

It is Mahmood’s idea. A few reasonably sensible measures overshadowed by this gem. Trying to control our borders with a cashback incentive.

Yes but not giving them that amount of money

i do think it will act as a pull factor

are other European countries offering these financial incentives

I agree and these people coming over, the majority are not doctors or engineers. Some clearly have no intention of working once they have their leave to remain and some of the men are atrocious. It's too big a culture difference and I for one wish we'd stop letting the boat people in. I've seen whole communities changed because the ethnicity of the population has changed to majority black.

The scheme is based on a Danish trial which means there is evidence this can work.

It’s a pilot scheme meaning that the U.K. will be testing the policy and collecting evidence to see if it works.

According to Bright Blue (a centre right think tank), this was their recommendation. https://www.brightblue.org.uk/asylum-win-2026/

Labour appear to be testing various policy ideas to cut immigration, all to try and appease people like you.

If only the populace could get this worked up about the privatisation of our water which has led to raw sewage being pumped into our rivers and seas every single day whilst the owners have siphoned off £60billion profit that should have been spent upgrading and repairing the infrastructure.

I mentioned earlier in the thread - its NOT my mother and I don't thankfully need any inheritance either. It's an example. And it happens all over I haven't once talked about inheritance of myself or others. If you don"t understand the point well then that's up to you

I don’t mind anyone receiving an inheritance tbh, at least it will probably be spent here.

The counter argument to the 'pull factor' its that the money on offer to leave is a great deal less than the money they have to spend to get here in the first place, so they would make a financial loss.
The issue is that people here with children create extra complexities. No humane society can fail to care for children, so families do end up housed and financed in order the children don't suffer. The adults have additional rights and protections arising from their children (in much the same way that British adults with children take priority for housing, because society is thinking of the children) so they pose a complex problem that can't be solved by simply throwing them out penniless. Many people would be prepared to accept that fate for adults, but there is far less appetite in a civilised society to impose it on children.

I'd love to know - all of you that think we have no issue with illegal asylum or immigration - what makes you so comfortable to let it all be as it is ? Are you very well off and it doesn't or will never affect you? Do you live in areas where crime by illegal immigrants are never an issue? Do you just turn a blind eye because you know, it's human rights ? Or something else ? My issue is when we have our own people struggling for a myriad of different reasons, when some of them have paid into our own system for decades, and we'd rather spend money on asylum rather than tackling it head on - I think we've lost our way frankly .
And what I would suggest ? I'm not in that position but I'd be looking at the root cause for coming here - it's a cushy number. I'd be taking away all the niceties that entices people coming here for a start. Its a known fact its mostly men coming .... why is that? If it was mostly women and children it would be different in a way but it just isn't

OK, if its not about inheritance, then, you're right, i dont understand. Why do you think its wrong the mym who isnt your mum had to sell their home to pay for their care? If they're going into a care home, they don't need their family home. So what's the problem with it being sold? Should it just stand empty now they no longer live there?

Yes you are not wrong

I’m sick to death of it and it is definitely affecting the area I live in

I think there is something of an issue, but that's its being blown up to a much greater issue than it is, in order to give people a scapegoat for why their lives are not as good as they may have hoped. I think there are many reasons why people have reason to be discontented. The majority of these relate to wealth inequality and the neglect of governments to look after the interests of the less advantaged in favour of the privileged.
I live in a deprived area. There is a hotel housing immigrants here. My personal experience is that I barely see them. Typically they keep to themselves. Certainly no instances of rampaging through the streets threatening the local community.
There are a lot of assumptions made about them. If there is a criminal incident, the local FB is flooded with people saying its them. However, there is never evidence it is, beyond speculation. And when another perpetrator ends up being found responsible, no one ever comes back to say they were wrong.
I'm actually very concerned about the issues facing WC people. The things that worry me are run down neighbourhoods, poverty, poor health, inadequate housing, lack of opportunity, exploitation to make profit for the wealthy.
All things that have existed for WC people long before immigration issues made the radar. If the immigration issue was 'solved' I genuinely don't see it making that much difference to the lives of disadvantaged British people. So I resent the time and energy devoted to it, when there's other conversations that imo are more pertinent.

It could be rented out and the funds used to support op's friend caring for her relative within the family, as many people do. Then you wouldn't have such requirement to keep importing carers who will have no more qualification to care than the op's friend, are potentially on a minimum wage (no windfall inheritance) and are surely less likely to 'care' for op's mum more than her own family.

That might satisfy those who complain that an inheritance isn't worked for and those who say we need to keep exploiting importing from overseas to service the care ' industry.'

Then you should become an MP and challenge it as the current government are saying the over-generosity of the asylum seeker system is a burden on the tax payer and there is a huge issue with individuals taking advantage of the system in the UK and in too many cases, asylum seekers are gaining access to the UK and going on to commit serious criminal offences while reaping the benefits of the UKs generosity.

It's also recognised that criminal gangs and individuals deliberately targeted the UK with the purpose of committing crimes in the UK. This is what happened with the extreme influx of asylum seekers from Albania a few years ago where Albanian nationals on small boat entries went from 800 in 2021 to over 12,000 in 2022.

And making up 10-14% of all foreign national offenders in UK prisons in 2024, the highest proportion of any foreign nationals in the UK.

So in the UK where Albanian nationals were just a fraction of 1% of the population, they represented a hugely disproportionate amount of offenders who required imprisonment.

A problem so vast the UK government agreed to help pay Albania to improve their prison systems and reduce human trafficking in return for deporting the Albanian criminals who came to the UK with the intention to commit crimes, often after committing crimes in Albania.

Previous governments acknowledged this.

And political parties aiming for power acknowledge this.

If you think they're wrong and you have a version of history which supports that all asylum seekers are victims of colonialisation and think the UK therefore should just admit anyone then try and get people behind you.

You might get some people supporting you if you're in 6th form which you sound like you may be but I don't think you'll get any actual historians, statisticians, sociologists or government officials backing you but still..

You do you! go for it!

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I NEVER understand why people aren’t angrier about that. Poisonous water (be careful going for a swim) and incredibly worrying water insecurity while a small group of people skim billions of pounds off the top.

Oh my, going low, polemic, and personal… well done WildMintPanda

It's 10k. Possibly rising to a max of 40k for a family. The cost of hotel housing is significant. It's just one idea they are floating.

Oh, so you can't deny or refute?

And that's me going low? giving you actual evidence?

Okay.

Well that's already an option, isn't it? If a person is being cared for by family then they do get to keep their assets.
However, this isn't something that can work for everyone. A lot of people need more care than the family is able to provide, particularly if their needs are complex, there's no room to live in or have them live with you, or you need to do a paid job. Rent of £1000 a month wouldn't replace a salary.

and people that haven't got houses to sell shouldn't expect the taxpayer to pay either should they.

Actual evidence? Evidence about ONE group of migrants and using this to discredit the whole group.
Have you ever spoken with an asylum seeker whose relatives were mutilated? It might change your views.
There will always be groups of people who take advantage of a system but making it harder for all who need asylum is inhumane.

@Sofado its £10,000 per person. So "average" family could get £40,000. The thing is what's to stop them leaving then trying to get back in?? It would be a money merry go round

Well yes, they should. Because there's all sorts of reasons why people end up not owning a house. Sadly, it can be out of reach for many. Our society doesn't throw infirm elderly people onto the streets to die, does it? So who do you propose pays for their care if they can't?

Its just another misrepresented headline to get racists angry.

Yes it is already an option. Culturally many people already do this and it works, it's not always easy, but life isn't.
Where I live, house rents are more than £1000/mth and would cover the costs of basic interim care outside working hours if required.
No, it won't work for everybody, but it eases the burden on the state when it does.

I think people are angry but what had that got to do with this thread?