Starters idiotic 40k Immigration scheme

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Wtf... maybe I'm not understanding this correctly. If you didn't get asylum you get given 40k IF YOU LEAVE? And if you don't? Do you still get to stay jn hotels etc.? I'm sick to the eyeballs of this weak government's lack of taking a strong stance. Every other European country is doing better than us. I'm not saying asylum should never happen - but we are bending over backwards while our own people are suffering. My DF mother paid taxes and worked all her life ... she has to sell her beloved small family home to pay for her care- but we'll give money and what else to illegals ? This country's decisions is making my blood boil. Point based immigration where we add to jobs that we struggle to find local talent I've got zero issue with - its fair. It's time we wake up - and uv you think IABU explain why plse ....

It costs much much more to return failed assylum seekers who are not going voluntarily.

So you need to decide what's most important to you. Getting them returned and out of UK system at very high cost or a relatively small payment to encourage them to go voluntarily.

As for returning on the next small boat, if it's going to happen, it will equally happen if they've been removed forcibly with all the costs associated.

As for the £40k headline....As people are always so keen to point out, very few asylum seekers are families.

You do realise that as an illegal migrant with a failed asylum claim they might just ignore the commitment not to return!

What utter clap trap. Get real.

In what way is what pp said not ‘real’? 🤔

It's possible that some people think money spent on the increasingly costly immigration issue might be more sensibly used on essential infrastructure and would like to see it nationalised/ UK controlled/ certainly better maintained and managed.There are many demands on the public purse.
With more grey water and filtration solutions required in new builds, some of the onus on water infrastructure could be shared by developers.
We all have views on what is essential/worthy of government funding.
Increasing the population density of the UK will only compound the demands on our crumbling infrastructure and the social unrest we see around us.

Let’s face it, for some people whatever Starmer does or says will be wrong.

If you want to self flagellate for whatever benefits you or your ancestors gained via exploitation go ahead, just try not to think about who you're exploiting now by relying on poorly paid carers, agricultural workers here & abroad, Amazon workers, production & mining workers in countries with much poorer labour laws that provide you with cheaper goods...

What on earth? That’s an awful lot of insulting assumptions you made about me based on the fact that I said I didn’t think a previous comment about foreign aid was ‘claptrap’. Pretty much everything you’ve assumed about me here is completely incorrect. Why is this topic so triggering for you?

That wasn’t the point the poster was making though, they seemed to be saying that we should be getting more worked up about the privatisation of water companies and the owners siphoning off money than we should about the migrant problem.

ETA - I agree with you.

"Obviously they won't be able to return"

You've got a foolproof plan to ensure that doesn't happen have you? 🙄

They will have to try harder as several from the hapless “one in one out” pilot hsve returned already.

Agree about pp. The 2 issues are not entirely unrelated to most sensible people despite the distraction.

I think part of the problem, isn't that people won't return to their home country (it's that as well) it's that the home country won't cooperate and have them back. I don't see how 10k will charge that.

Inheriting a house can benefit society.............when a social housing tenant inherits off a home owning parent it can free up social housing

Then they are immediately deported.

It isn’t her mother. It’s her friend’s mother, OP isn’t getting an inheritance.

Birmingham City Council can’t even collect bins yet apparently the government will be able to keep track of who have had this and stop them re-entering? Don’t make me laugh. Probably use a couple of grand to get a better boat and come back again. Let’s face it we don’t do a fat lot to stop benefit fraud in this country so how would this be any different?

It’s easy enough to have data that says ‘name/birthdate/passport’ are banned from coming back to the uk but irregular migration is just that. It’s outside of the regulations.

People just get on a boat without paperwork.
Less likely for families who mostly arrived with visas and overstayed or claimed when here. But they could absolutely try again. All they have to do is submit a fresh claim.

The difficulty will be on getting on a plane or ferry in their known identity if they don’t have a visa or ETA.

It’s not an easy life for migrants in the UK but the rewards are phenomenal if they can stick it out. £40k doesn’t touch the sides of free housing, education, healthcare, benefits and opportunities. I think it’s more likely families will take the money and try again. Probably in a different European country. Ireland maybe.

I can see the logic: make the bung more than what they paid their handler to come here in the first place, plus enough to make a difference back home. ‘Making a difference back home’ is part of the reason so many young men come here, because all housing expenses paid so any income from uber/deliveroo etc can be sent back home to support the family.

I’d be worried about the multiplier effect. 40k is enough to fund even more family to come over.

As if we don't already have too many pull factors. This will make it loads worse. We are already a laughing stock with our ridiculous policies on immigration. I couldn't believe it when I read that immigrants that commit crimes may lose their accommodation and benefits - I assumed that was already the case!

It reminds me of a comment I saw here a while back: “Hello, is that the police? I have a burglar in my house!” The police replied, “Well, just offer him £10,000 to leave then!” Of course, the thieves would just keep coming back for more.

I appreciate their generosity, but does the government really have that much money? They probably have more funds than they let on, so reports about financial struggles and turmoil come across as fake and dishonest. Whenever a politician says there’s no money for something, it feels like an obvious lie. It’s easy to believe public services aren’t funded properly simply because the government chooses not to—this applies not just to the current one, but to previous administrations too.

As long as the money comes from politicians’ own pockets and not ours, that’s fine. They have the resources, so they should be the ones paying the bills from their personal accounts.

We never know how much money the govt has. Reeves was banging on about a 20 billion black hole, then a 40 billion black hole for most of 2024, mysteriously by the autumn budget the black hole had all but disappeared, presumably due to her tax hikes.

Like most governments this govt will find the money from somewhere if it fits their agenda.

People want things to be fair. The current system is not fair. It makes a mockery of border controls and the people who do things properly to qualify for their visas. It prevents the UK from being able to help people in need overseas and decide who really needs sanctuary.
I think most people would be happier with detention and removal being pursued even if it costs more than the quick fix of paying people off to go home. Because this migration crisis will never go away while potential migrants know they can ‘win’.