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School refusing 3 days off for DS AIBU

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BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 18:07

I suspect I am going to get flamed for this but I genuinely do not know what the right call is.

DS is 14, 15 in the summer, and he hates school. Not in a mild way, he actively resents it. Says it is pointless, says most of the boys mess about anyway but he gets picked up more because he answers back. There is probably some truth in that but he absolutely does not help himself.

He is basically on his last warning behaviour wise. We have had meetings with head of year and deputy head. They have used phrases like final chance, serious concerns about attitude, risk of not being invited back next year if there is no improvement. So yes, thin ice is putting it mildly.

Behaviour issues include:

Constant low level disruption
Talking when teacher is talking
Refusing to move seats when asked
Eye rolling and muttering under his breath
Not handing homework in repeatedly
Detentions for not turning up to detentions
Once told a teacher “this is why no one takes this subject seriously”

There was also an incident last year where he made some stupid misogynistic comments in class about girls being “too emotional” for leadership which got him into a huge amount of trouble. He swears he was joking but it was not funny and I was absolutely furious with him. School took it very seriously. Since then they have him firmly labelled as a problem child I think.

He is not SEN. There is no diagnosis, no learning issue. He just does not like being told what to do and he is not a straight A academic star which I sometimes think is what this particular school really values above everything else. He is capable of good grades but only when he feels like it which is not often.

The only area where he has ever been consistently positive is drama.

He got into acting at 12 through the school drama club. Completely by accident really, a friend dragged him along. He got a part in the school production and something just switched. Teachers were emailing saying how focused he was in rehearsals, how supportive of other cast members. It was like reading about someone else.

We then enrolled him in a local theatre group and he loves it. Properly loves it. He will practise accents in his bedroom, watch performances online, ask for feedback. It is the only thing he puts real effort into without being nagged.

Now he has been cast in a proper local theatre production. Rehearsals are evenings and weekends so that has not interfered with school at all.

But the performances include three weekday matinees in the last week before Easter holidays. So he would miss three full days right before they break up.

His attendance is currently 95 percent. But he is absolutely on his last warning behaviour wise.

I emailed school explaining the opportunity and asking if the absence could be authorised given it is a legitimate production and not just a random day off. I did mention that drama is the only area where he truly excels and that this could be positive for him.

Reply was very clear. No authorised absence for external activities. Policy is policy. If we keep him off it will be recorded as unauthorised absence and may be considered alongside his existing behaviour record.

I did ask whether there was any discretion given it is the last week before holidays and most of the academic content is winding down (yes I know that sounds dismissive). They said learning continues until the final day and expectations apply to all pupils equally.

DS’s view is blunt. He says acting is the only thing he is actually good at and the only reason he bothers trying at anything. He says if we make him miss it we are proving that school matters more to us than he does. He also says school already think he is a lost cause so what difference will three days make.

Part of me thinks he has not exactly earned special favours given his attitude. If anything he should be bending over backwards to show compliance right now not asking for time off. I can already hear people saying natural consequences and maybe that is fair.

But another part of me thinks if the one thing that genuinely motivates him is acting then why would we squash that, especially when school itself introduced him to it in the first place.

We pay a lot for this school because we wanted structure and high standards. I just did not anticipate feeling like the only area my son shines would be treated as irrelevant.

So AIBU to think they could show flexibility even though he is on his last warning and hardly model pupil of the year? Or is this exactly the kind of situation where the answer has to be no because of his behaviour record.

OP posts:
Paperwhite209 · 03/03/2026 18:42

He's showing disinterest because he's bored.

Plenty of us get bored at work/school - that doesn't give us carte blanche to treat others with rudeness and disrespect and disrupt the learning/working environment for people who want to be there and are interested.

@BaronPencil ^ that said if he's got a genuine interest in and commitment to his drama and 95% attendance, I do think the school are being a bit churlish.

I would agree to him having the three days unauthorised, but on the condition he does not put a foot wrong between now and then, and if he does, he forfeits the production no matter what.

I also think his comment about you caring more about school than him is bloody manipulative and would be having words about that as a separate issue.

thedardanelles · 03/03/2026 18:42

in my experience as a parent, finding a berth for a badly behaved independent school pupil during the GCSE years is not easy and unhappy for everyone. The local authority will not necessarily provide a place at a local school. He - and you - would be best served sucking it up until some GCSEs are acquired then he can do something more suitable for him at college. Also, he might well be more amenable when the turmoil of puberty passes. 18 was the magic age here.

ForEdgyHare · 03/03/2026 18:43

You are dodging the question of what are you doing to address his awful behaviour.

I would let my DS do the 3 days off but not with such terrible school reports. It’s just teaching him that he doesn’t have to change, he can just dip out, do the play and go back to school and continue to be disruptive and extremely disrespectful.

I wonder what the other parents think of paying for their childs education and your DS being such a nuisance

modernfairies · 03/03/2026 18:44

Pearlstillsinging · 03/03/2026 18:40

School could authorise his absence as 'education off site', which imo is what they should do.
I may have missed it but I'm not sure why some pp think he is at a fee-paying school. However if he is you have the upper hand here.
It doesn't sound as if this school is suitable for him, so I would consider moving him at the end of the year anyway.

The op said at the end of her first post that it was private. He’s also in year 10 which is a very tricky time to move and it absolutely sounds like the school would love to get rid of him, and it is far easier for a private school to do.

GreenWheat · 03/03/2026 18:44

Sounds like you should have moved him a couple of years ago but were reluctant to because of the family tradition. But anyway, he can't really move now in Y10. I would do the performance as it's the one positive in his life.

Jellyslothbridge · 03/03/2026 18:45

My child did a lot of professional theatre while at school. They would attend period one and two on a matinee day. Would asking for 3 half days and a promise to catch up on missed work go down better?
It sounds like your son may be better suited to a performing arts school or certainly a change even at this stage of schooling. Is home schooling with tutors and an online programme something you would consider?

TheMorgenmuffel · 03/03/2026 18:48

the school clearly isn't a good fit for him. Is keeping him there because that's where other family members went really that important? More important than how he feels and what he wants?

If it was me, I'd do what was in his best interests and without making who else went to the school a factor.

I'd remove him from the school, give him a chance for a fresh start.

ChalkOrCheese · 03/03/2026 18:48

Why has he missed 5% already?

If its not genuine illness then I'd be telling him that the reason he cant have the time off to do the production because he's already taken too much time off.

ThatCyanCat · 03/03/2026 18:48

He has to learn that respect goes both ways and if he's treated people with such contempt so frequently, he doesn't deserve special favours when it suits him. Arguably nobody deserves special favours if that's the policy; it has to apply to everyone to be fair.

That said, I don't see what you have to lose. He doesn't care, if it's not this then it'll be something else and he'll probably get expelled anyway.

You say yourself the school doesn't seem to suit him so it seems a complete waste pouring all that money into it. I guess I'd probably take the unauthorised absence, let them expel him so he's no longer their problem and find an alternative school for him since it sounds like that's where he's heading anyway. It goes against the grain a bit as it feels like rewarding his shitty behaviour, but as I said, if it's not this then it will probably be something else, and his being expelled is probably in everyone's interests.

It's a tough one, though. Hard to feel great conviction either way.

LoserWinner · 03/03/2026 18:48

Brattish child, enabling parent <sigh>

maudelovesharold · 03/03/2026 18:49

Amira83 · 03/03/2026 18:27

If he were my son I would be fully supporting him taking the 3 days of for the theatre production. Hes found something hes great at and enjoys it aswel, I dont know him but even im happy for him. Its an opportunity not to be missed. Your his mother, you know what's best for him, not the school.

Absolutely this. The confidence and self-esteem he gets from this experience will be invaluable. As will the knowledge that he has your support. Enforcing what is effectively a box-ticking excercise, rather than tailoring an approach to benefit an individual pupil, underlines how unsuitable this rigid school environment is for your son. I’m sure there must be schools out there which would be more suited to catering to his talents and personality and would bring out the best in him. He’s kicking against the traces because he’s so unhappy. Performing obviously makes him happy. Let him play to his strengths.

Hankunamatata · 03/03/2026 18:50

He summer born?
Find a school with a strong performing arts programme and make the case that he could drop down to the year below - like deferring a year.

or look at a performing arts school

Steeleydan · 03/03/2026 18:50

BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 18:07

I suspect I am going to get flamed for this but I genuinely do not know what the right call is.

DS is 14, 15 in the summer, and he hates school. Not in a mild way, he actively resents it. Says it is pointless, says most of the boys mess about anyway but he gets picked up more because he answers back. There is probably some truth in that but he absolutely does not help himself.

He is basically on his last warning behaviour wise. We have had meetings with head of year and deputy head. They have used phrases like final chance, serious concerns about attitude, risk of not being invited back next year if there is no improvement. So yes, thin ice is putting it mildly.

Behaviour issues include:

Constant low level disruption
Talking when teacher is talking
Refusing to move seats when asked
Eye rolling and muttering under his breath
Not handing homework in repeatedly
Detentions for not turning up to detentions
Once told a teacher “this is why no one takes this subject seriously”

There was also an incident last year where he made some stupid misogynistic comments in class about girls being “too emotional” for leadership which got him into a huge amount of trouble. He swears he was joking but it was not funny and I was absolutely furious with him. School took it very seriously. Since then they have him firmly labelled as a problem child I think.

He is not SEN. There is no diagnosis, no learning issue. He just does not like being told what to do and he is not a straight A academic star which I sometimes think is what this particular school really values above everything else. He is capable of good grades but only when he feels like it which is not often.

The only area where he has ever been consistently positive is drama.

He got into acting at 12 through the school drama club. Completely by accident really, a friend dragged him along. He got a part in the school production and something just switched. Teachers were emailing saying how focused he was in rehearsals, how supportive of other cast members. It was like reading about someone else.

We then enrolled him in a local theatre group and he loves it. Properly loves it. He will practise accents in his bedroom, watch performances online, ask for feedback. It is the only thing he puts real effort into without being nagged.

Now he has been cast in a proper local theatre production. Rehearsals are evenings and weekends so that has not interfered with school at all.

But the performances include three weekday matinees in the last week before Easter holidays. So he would miss three full days right before they break up.

His attendance is currently 95 percent. But he is absolutely on his last warning behaviour wise.

I emailed school explaining the opportunity and asking if the absence could be authorised given it is a legitimate production and not just a random day off. I did mention that drama is the only area where he truly excels and that this could be positive for him.

Reply was very clear. No authorised absence for external activities. Policy is policy. If we keep him off it will be recorded as unauthorised absence and may be considered alongside his existing behaviour record.

I did ask whether there was any discretion given it is the last week before holidays and most of the academic content is winding down (yes I know that sounds dismissive). They said learning continues until the final day and expectations apply to all pupils equally.

DS’s view is blunt. He says acting is the only thing he is actually good at and the only reason he bothers trying at anything. He says if we make him miss it we are proving that school matters more to us than he does. He also says school already think he is a lost cause so what difference will three days make.

Part of me thinks he has not exactly earned special favours given his attitude. If anything he should be bending over backwards to show compliance right now not asking for time off. I can already hear people saying natural consequences and maybe that is fair.

But another part of me thinks if the one thing that genuinely motivates him is acting then why would we squash that, especially when school itself introduced him to it in the first place.

We pay a lot for this school because we wanted structure and high standards. I just did not anticipate feeling like the only area my son shines would be treated as irrelevant.

So AIBU to think they could show flexibility even though he is on his last warning and hardly model pupil of the year? Or is this exactly the kind of situation where the answer has to be no because of his behaviour record.

Put him in a state school ,youre wasting your money, I'd sure as hell not be paying for the pleasure of this! He wants putting into a state school with kids from normal working class back grounds, they'll soon square his entitled attitude up

Jlom · 03/03/2026 18:50

He is learning the genuine consequences of his behaviour: people don't do you any favours of you are unpleasant and rude to them.

Schoolchoicesucks · 03/03/2026 18:51

You need to address the behaviour with him. Learning when to speak up and when to shut up (the answering back) is a life lesson and skill.

He has good attendance and would only miss 6 sessions (potentially less if he showed up for morning registration then left for the shows) so I would go ahead and let him miss school. As pp has suggested they are likely to want the fees. But can you use this with him as the thing that you are standing up for him and supporting him with this thing that he loves and you expect him to rein himself in and up his behaviour for the rest of the year in return?

MintyFresh23 · 03/03/2026 18:51

Have you told him that he might lose his place at the school if he's out for 3 days?

It sounds like he's a really bad fit in the school, so moving may well be in his interest.

ChalkOrCheese · 03/03/2026 18:51

Why should the school give him time off? He's a pain in the arse, it will hurt their stats and its against school policy..

There's literally nothing in it for them.

It's a good chance to teach him about give and take and that sometimes in life we need to get our heads down and get through the stuff we don't want to do.

He doesn't scream employable.

Neither of you seem to appreciate he is a 5 year blip in someone's teaching career. Noone is that bothered about him to take him personally and have a vendetta about him. He is the one who will lose out in the end because of his attitude.

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Pricelessadvice · 03/03/2026 18:52

If you behave badly and don’t follow the rules, why on earth should you get special privileges. It’s a good life lesson for him.

watchingthishtread · 03/03/2026 18:53

Find a new school. This school is the wrong fit for him

Delphiniumandlupins · 03/03/2026 18:53

Hedgehogsaremyjam · 03/03/2026 18:41

Hasn't he got a month to prove to you and the school that he has changed his attitude and is respectful towards his education and therefore deserves you allowing him this opportunity??

This. You seem to be excusing his rude, arrogant and misogynistic attitude. I would be very unhappy, paying for my child's education if they had such a disruptive little twat in their classes. I wouldn't reward his emotional blackmail by just agreeing he can miss school but set some (achievable) targets - no detentions/completing all homework - and let him earn the time off. Then be prepared if this school does chuck him out. If his behaviour doesn't improve he's going to have the same problems at another school.

KimuraTan · 03/03/2026 18:53

I won’t go into his behaviour but if this were my child I‘d prioritise the theatre and let him use those days off school.

I know you say he hasn’t „earnt“ those days off but this is an amazing opportunity for your DS - one that he’s passionate about. Please don’t take it away from him. Not everyone is cut out for school life. Education comes in listig forms - I‘d be tempted to explore other schools or education paths to support my child if I were in your shoes @BaronPencil

cordeliavorkosigan · 03/03/2026 18:54

I'd let him do the theatre, and then move school next year. No matter what your DH and his brothers did, your DS will be better off if you save that money for him to use later when he's seeking an education. Maybe that will be theatre school. Maybe something else. But it's money down the drain to pay school fees for this child at this school at this time.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 03/03/2026 18:54

I'd absolutely let him do the production. No way I'd stop him from doing the one thing he excels at.

I'd email the school your decision and why you've made that decision.

A friend of mine's daughter is very talented at her activity, and was cast as the lead for an event (a weekday matinee). Her school had always been supportive, but had a new Head, who forbid any absences for performances. So she deregistered her daughter, and home educated her instead. She then did her GCSEs through a college as many colleges take Home Ed children from 14yrs old.

Something to consider.

ETA it might be worth looking at proper residential theatre schools/colleges for him instead of school

Whaleandsnail6 · 03/03/2026 18:54

I think this is unfortunately a consequence of his actions.

Had he shown better attitude and respect towards school, the teachers and learning they may have been more willing to support with the absence, and having the negatives for absence if they didn't agree and you went ahead with the play anyway, wouldn't have had such potential impact, but he's on his last warning and the unauthorised absence will trigger this?

It's tough but its a lesson learnt. Could you speak to the drama club about other opportunities that wouldn't interfere with school days?