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School refusing 3 days off for DS AIBU

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BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 18:07

I suspect I am going to get flamed for this but I genuinely do not know what the right call is.

DS is 14, 15 in the summer, and he hates school. Not in a mild way, he actively resents it. Says it is pointless, says most of the boys mess about anyway but he gets picked up more because he answers back. There is probably some truth in that but he absolutely does not help himself.

He is basically on his last warning behaviour wise. We have had meetings with head of year and deputy head. They have used phrases like final chance, serious concerns about attitude, risk of not being invited back next year if there is no improvement. So yes, thin ice is putting it mildly.

Behaviour issues include:

Constant low level disruption
Talking when teacher is talking
Refusing to move seats when asked
Eye rolling and muttering under his breath
Not handing homework in repeatedly
Detentions for not turning up to detentions
Once told a teacher “this is why no one takes this subject seriously”

There was also an incident last year where he made some stupid misogynistic comments in class about girls being “too emotional” for leadership which got him into a huge amount of trouble. He swears he was joking but it was not funny and I was absolutely furious with him. School took it very seriously. Since then they have him firmly labelled as a problem child I think.

He is not SEN. There is no diagnosis, no learning issue. He just does not like being told what to do and he is not a straight A academic star which I sometimes think is what this particular school really values above everything else. He is capable of good grades but only when he feels like it which is not often.

The only area where he has ever been consistently positive is drama.

He got into acting at 12 through the school drama club. Completely by accident really, a friend dragged him along. He got a part in the school production and something just switched. Teachers were emailing saying how focused he was in rehearsals, how supportive of other cast members. It was like reading about someone else.

We then enrolled him in a local theatre group and he loves it. Properly loves it. He will practise accents in his bedroom, watch performances online, ask for feedback. It is the only thing he puts real effort into without being nagged.

Now he has been cast in a proper local theatre production. Rehearsals are evenings and weekends so that has not interfered with school at all.

But the performances include three weekday matinees in the last week before Easter holidays. So he would miss three full days right before they break up.

His attendance is currently 95 percent. But he is absolutely on his last warning behaviour wise.

I emailed school explaining the opportunity and asking if the absence could be authorised given it is a legitimate production and not just a random day off. I did mention that drama is the only area where he truly excels and that this could be positive for him.

Reply was very clear. No authorised absence for external activities. Policy is policy. If we keep him off it will be recorded as unauthorised absence and may be considered alongside his existing behaviour record.

I did ask whether there was any discretion given it is the last week before holidays and most of the academic content is winding down (yes I know that sounds dismissive). They said learning continues until the final day and expectations apply to all pupils equally.

DS’s view is blunt. He says acting is the only thing he is actually good at and the only reason he bothers trying at anything. He says if we make him miss it we are proving that school matters more to us than he does. He also says school already think he is a lost cause so what difference will three days make.

Part of me thinks he has not exactly earned special favours given his attitude. If anything he should be bending over backwards to show compliance right now not asking for time off. I can already hear people saying natural consequences and maybe that is fair.

But another part of me thinks if the one thing that genuinely motivates him is acting then why would we squash that, especially when school itself introduced him to it in the first place.

We pay a lot for this school because we wanted structure and high standards. I just did not anticipate feeling like the only area my son shines would be treated as irrelevant.

So AIBU to think they could show flexibility even though he is on his last warning and hardly model pupil of the year? Or is this exactly the kind of situation where the answer has to be no because of his behaviour record.

OP posts:
cottoneels · 03/03/2026 19:26

100% I would let him have the days off. Regardless of the school consequences as I just think there are other priorities here
I would be thinking about the damage to your relationship if you dismiss his passion and stand in his way, and also to his overall sense of worth and happiness. In grand scheme of life those things will always matter, whereas school is a passing chapter.
The school will likely still have him back next year if he wants but equally I would probably be looking for alternatives anyway as it’s a waste of money if he’s not doing well there/enjoying it..really what is the point? Doesn’t sound like the right fit for him and sounds like he would be much happier elsewhere or even with a private tutor/some online home -ed sort of set-up if you have the money!

Holidaymumjoy · 03/03/2026 19:26

Coconutter24 · 03/03/2026 19:15

So your child is a problem child and behaves horrendously, so much he’s on his last warning yet you think he should be shown flexibility to do something fun outside of school?
Surely you should he concentrating on correcting his attitude and behaviour and not brushing it off. No wonder he’s the way he is if you’re so blasé about it

My point exactly. Amongst other points

OneMomentPlease · 03/03/2026 19:28

Faythe · 03/03/2026 18:24

They can just cast someone else. And that can be a lesson to him... natural consequences for shocking behaviour.

It’s not a natural consequence though. School has said it is a blanket policy, current behaviour is not a factor in the decision.

OP school is NBU to say no, but YANBU to be take him out of school anyway. No fee paying school is going to expel a student over three days unauthorized absence and it sounds like it will be really beneficial to him.

I’d also have a chat with him about whether he wants to change school.

Waterbaby41 · 03/03/2026 19:28

BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 18:07

I suspect I am going to get flamed for this but I genuinely do not know what the right call is.

DS is 14, 15 in the summer, and he hates school. Not in a mild way, he actively resents it. Says it is pointless, says most of the boys mess about anyway but he gets picked up more because he answers back. There is probably some truth in that but he absolutely does not help himself.

He is basically on his last warning behaviour wise. We have had meetings with head of year and deputy head. They have used phrases like final chance, serious concerns about attitude, risk of not being invited back next year if there is no improvement. So yes, thin ice is putting it mildly.

Behaviour issues include:

Constant low level disruption
Talking when teacher is talking
Refusing to move seats when asked
Eye rolling and muttering under his breath
Not handing homework in repeatedly
Detentions for not turning up to detentions
Once told a teacher “this is why no one takes this subject seriously”

There was also an incident last year where he made some stupid misogynistic comments in class about girls being “too emotional” for leadership which got him into a huge amount of trouble. He swears he was joking but it was not funny and I was absolutely furious with him. School took it very seriously. Since then they have him firmly labelled as a problem child I think.

He is not SEN. There is no diagnosis, no learning issue. He just does not like being told what to do and he is not a straight A academic star which I sometimes think is what this particular school really values above everything else. He is capable of good grades but only when he feels like it which is not often.

The only area where he has ever been consistently positive is drama.

He got into acting at 12 through the school drama club. Completely by accident really, a friend dragged him along. He got a part in the school production and something just switched. Teachers were emailing saying how focused he was in rehearsals, how supportive of other cast members. It was like reading about someone else.

We then enrolled him in a local theatre group and he loves it. Properly loves it. He will practise accents in his bedroom, watch performances online, ask for feedback. It is the only thing he puts real effort into without being nagged.

Now he has been cast in a proper local theatre production. Rehearsals are evenings and weekends so that has not interfered with school at all.

But the performances include three weekday matinees in the last week before Easter holidays. So he would miss three full days right before they break up.

His attendance is currently 95 percent. But he is absolutely on his last warning behaviour wise.

I emailed school explaining the opportunity and asking if the absence could be authorised given it is a legitimate production and not just a random day off. I did mention that drama is the only area where he truly excels and that this could be positive for him.

Reply was very clear. No authorised absence for external activities. Policy is policy. If we keep him off it will be recorded as unauthorised absence and may be considered alongside his existing behaviour record.

I did ask whether there was any discretion given it is the last week before holidays and most of the academic content is winding down (yes I know that sounds dismissive). They said learning continues until the final day and expectations apply to all pupils equally.

DS’s view is blunt. He says acting is the only thing he is actually good at and the only reason he bothers trying at anything. He says if we make him miss it we are proving that school matters more to us than he does. He also says school already think he is a lost cause so what difference will three days make.

Part of me thinks he has not exactly earned special favours given his attitude. If anything he should be bending over backwards to show compliance right now not asking for time off. I can already hear people saying natural consequences and maybe that is fair.

But another part of me thinks if the one thing that genuinely motivates him is acting then why would we squash that, especially when school itself introduced him to it in the first place.

We pay a lot for this school because we wanted structure and high standards. I just did not anticipate feeling like the only area my son shines would be treated as irrelevant.

So AIBU to think they could show flexibility even though he is on his last warning and hardly model pupil of the year? Or is this exactly the kind of situation where the answer has to be no because of his behaviour record.

What are you going to address DS's behaviour?

FusionChefGeoff · 03/03/2026 19:30

Are you sure all the other schools have chosen options? It’s very varied around here and DS doesn’t do that until mid April

SheilaFentiman · 03/03/2026 19:32

FusionChefGeoff · 03/03/2026 19:30

Are you sure all the other schools have chosen options? It’s very varied around here and DS doesn’t do that until mid April

The OP’s DS is in year 10. He’s already studying his options .

SheilaFentiman · 03/03/2026 19:33

OneMomentPlease · 03/03/2026 19:28

It’s not a natural consequence though. School has said it is a blanket policy, current behaviour is not a factor in the decision.

OP school is NBU to say no, but YANBU to be take him out of school anyway. No fee paying school is going to expel a student over three days unauthorized absence and it sounds like it will be really beneficial to him.

I’d also have a chat with him about whether he wants to change school.

Current behaviour is a factor in whether the school considers three days of unauthorised absence sufficient on top of everything else to ask DS to leave, though.

Marmalade71 · 03/03/2026 19:33

Yes huge error not to take him out of this school - it’s just not a good fit. I’m not making light of his attitude- particularly the misogyny- but equally nothing you’re describing would get a kid excluded in the state sector. Frankly I’d let him do his drama and let the school do their worst. If he needs to move so be it. It sounds like the relationship has broken down and, even though it’s a disruptive time, a fresh start may be in everyone’s interests.

At a less dramatic level my son had similar issues (not the misogyny) but certainly back chat and wise cracks to the teachers who he didn’t hide his disdain for. He paid for it with very poor Covid GCSE grades as when the teachers had their chance to get their own back, in most cases they took it. In restrospect, my son would have been happier in a school where a wise cracking kid who wasn’t half as smart as he thought he was, would have been the least of their concerns, than at a school where it stood out. Maybe your son, who sounds similar, would be happier too.

User79853257976 · 03/03/2026 19:33

Take him out for the three days and look into schools that nurture drama a bit more. The problem at this stage is he might not be able to continue the same GCSE subjects or may have to switch to a different exam board.

SheilaFentiman · 03/03/2026 19:35

User79853257976 · 03/03/2026 19:33

Take him out for the three days and look into schools that nurture drama a bit more. The problem at this stage is he might not be able to continue the same GCSE subjects or may have to switch to a different exam board.

And that he’s not a good bet for any other school at this point - what private school would want to take him on after a reference from the current school and state schools would push back hard on takimg a pupil part way through gcse

JustMyView13 · 03/03/2026 19:35

I’d remove him for the 3 days. It seems like school isn’t a positive environment for him, and these 3 days are more likely to benefit his long term career prospects than they are to damage it. That said, I’d be considering a new school for him, and I’d be telling him best behaviour until Easter or the opportunity dissolves. If he wants grown up opportunities, he needs to demonstrate grown up behaviour.

andweallsingalong · 03/03/2026 19:36

Can you not use this to incentivise him?

If he gets his head down, bites his tongue and improves his behaviour and grades you will consider allowing him to miss school.

BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 19:36

Yes we probably should've moved him sooner butDH is against this. He isn't as academic as his brothers I will say that but he is capable of getting good grades if he tries which is rare because he doesn't care. He did hvw friends and was quite popular but they've drifted now but that hasn't made him be any better in school

Before he got into acting, he had nothing positive to focus on that he enjoyed. DH signed him up for rugby (after me saying he wouldn't enjoy it as he'd shown 0 interest) he hated it and would refuse to go and had many arguments with DH about it and in the end he got himself kicked out and his response was “well I told you I didn't want to do it”

He's like a different person at his club, he's respectful and properly listens and doesn't mess about and we don't have to nag him to get ready if anything he's nagging us

As I said about school, I worry if we moved him now he wouldn't get the same options. The plan was to just get him through until the end of Y11 and then he could go to a state college/sixth form rather than stay on at this school. I know he's not likely to go to uni and that's fine

And yes, it isn't a small production part of this club, it's a proper one at the theatre, he was picked out to audition and he got the part and his first, which is why I don’t want to say no (even though his behaviour is awful) as it could lead to other things and I worry he will resent me long into adulthood

OP posts:
Liverpool52 · 03/03/2026 19:36

BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 18:07

I suspect I am going to get flamed for this but I genuinely do not know what the right call is.

DS is 14, 15 in the summer, and he hates school. Not in a mild way, he actively resents it. Says it is pointless, says most of the boys mess about anyway but he gets picked up more because he answers back. There is probably some truth in that but he absolutely does not help himself.

He is basically on his last warning behaviour wise. We have had meetings with head of year and deputy head. They have used phrases like final chance, serious concerns about attitude, risk of not being invited back next year if there is no improvement. So yes, thin ice is putting it mildly.

Behaviour issues include:

Constant low level disruption
Talking when teacher is talking
Refusing to move seats when asked
Eye rolling and muttering under his breath
Not handing homework in repeatedly
Detentions for not turning up to detentions
Once told a teacher “this is why no one takes this subject seriously”

There was also an incident last year where he made some stupid misogynistic comments in class about girls being “too emotional” for leadership which got him into a huge amount of trouble. He swears he was joking but it was not funny and I was absolutely furious with him. School took it very seriously. Since then they have him firmly labelled as a problem child I think.

He is not SEN. There is no diagnosis, no learning issue. He just does not like being told what to do and he is not a straight A academic star which I sometimes think is what this particular school really values above everything else. He is capable of good grades but only when he feels like it which is not often.

The only area where he has ever been consistently positive is drama.

He got into acting at 12 through the school drama club. Completely by accident really, a friend dragged him along. He got a part in the school production and something just switched. Teachers were emailing saying how focused he was in rehearsals, how supportive of other cast members. It was like reading about someone else.

We then enrolled him in a local theatre group and he loves it. Properly loves it. He will practise accents in his bedroom, watch performances online, ask for feedback. It is the only thing he puts real effort into without being nagged.

Now he has been cast in a proper local theatre production. Rehearsals are evenings and weekends so that has not interfered with school at all.

But the performances include three weekday matinees in the last week before Easter holidays. So he would miss three full days right before they break up.

His attendance is currently 95 percent. But he is absolutely on his last warning behaviour wise.

I emailed school explaining the opportunity and asking if the absence could be authorised given it is a legitimate production and not just a random day off. I did mention that drama is the only area where he truly excels and that this could be positive for him.

Reply was very clear. No authorised absence for external activities. Policy is policy. If we keep him off it will be recorded as unauthorised absence and may be considered alongside his existing behaviour record.

I did ask whether there was any discretion given it is the last week before holidays and most of the academic content is winding down (yes I know that sounds dismissive). They said learning continues until the final day and expectations apply to all pupils equally.

DS’s view is blunt. He says acting is the only thing he is actually good at and the only reason he bothers trying at anything. He says if we make him miss it we are proving that school matters more to us than he does. He also says school already think he is a lost cause so what difference will three days make.

Part of me thinks he has not exactly earned special favours given his attitude. If anything he should be bending over backwards to show compliance right now not asking for time off. I can already hear people saying natural consequences and maybe that is fair.

But another part of me thinks if the one thing that genuinely motivates him is acting then why would we squash that, especially when school itself introduced him to it in the first place.

We pay a lot for this school because we wanted structure and high standards. I just did not anticipate feeling like the only area my son shines would be treated as irrelevant.

So AIBU to think they could show flexibility even though he is on his last warning and hardly model pupil of the year? Or is this exactly the kind of situation where the answer has to be no because of his behaviour record.

Where do the kid talented in science get off? Or history?

User79853257976 · 03/03/2026 19:37

SheilaFentiman · 03/03/2026 19:35

And that he’s not a good bet for any other school at this point - what private school would want to take him on after a reference from the current school and state schools would push back hard on takimg a pupil part way through gcse

Edited

Worth a try.

GoldDuster · 03/03/2026 19:37

I think offering the notion that the school are only interested in A grade pupils isn't fair, he sounds like a royal pain in the arse.

He's earned no favours or special treatment, I would have called him in sick for those days but that boat has sailed, so you need to follow through with the plan, pull him out for those days and start lining up an alternative provision for September.

Newusername0 · 03/03/2026 19:38

Not a chance in the world I would make him miss this opportunity. My DC is also private, and the school would not be even nearly this dismissive about an area of achievement where DC was excelling. I understand they can’t record the absence differently, but to show it no regard is poor. Your child is clearly a number, and a nuisance to them.

I’d be calling in sick those three days and genuinely looking at other options.

Devonshiregal · 03/03/2026 19:38

BaronPencil · 03/03/2026 18:36

DH and both his older brothers went to this school (one is now at uni, other has graduated) and DS has been at the feeder school since primary then moved to this school so DH didn't want to move him as he said it would be “moving the problem” which I agree to some extend. And now he's in Y10 so he's doing his options which he won't get at another private school or state as he'll get whatever is spare and I fear that would have a catastrophic effect and he'll pass nothing rather than just performing arts.

To the poster saying you're surprised they're casting him in term time - DS’s school finishes on the day before good Friday the same as other schools round here but they go back a week later than those schools, the theatre is in a different area (but still local) and their schools finish a week before as it's a different LA.

At what point did your little boy start getting so angry? Why is he ‘the problem’? He’s been sent to a building every day for years where people tell him he is wrong for being him and that he should be who they believe is valuable. His parent not only send him there against his will, they tell him he is a problem - so lo and behold he has become a problem. Frankly he was smart enough to see through their bollocks and say hey this system isn’t right for all kids, and everyone acted like he was the crazy one. Now he’s become an actual arsehole. How would you become if you were forced into an office you HATED day in and day out and were told it was good for you? And he doesnt even have a fully formed brain yet.

the school is just being a pain because they don’t like him - private school in particular are used to enabling time off for kids who work or train or travel for their parents jobs for example.

he LOVES theatre. He is actively working hard for it. call in sick and fuck the school off - they’re preparing him for a job that doesn’t exist in the next few years and he would never hold down anyway because he doesn’t have that kind of brain. (consider adhd by the way because most kids who are this fiery and opposed to school are not neurotypical and to anyone who jumps on with the blah blah blah he’s just a dick not ND…he’s 15, angry and loves theatre to the point the kid - who makes no effort with subjects he doesn’t like- is practicing off his own back in his room… go figure)

just pull him and do home school or theatre school if he can or anywhere else. Before he is a solidified arsehole forever.

Ablondiebutagoody · 03/03/2026 19:38

You pay for this school?! What's the point?

MissingSockDetective · 03/03/2026 19:39

Why is it relevant that your dh and brothers went there? I think you need to work with the school on this, perhaps if he can behave better he may be able to earn the right to go?

15February1960 · 03/03/2026 19:39

Do you have one of these schools? My daughters friend went here.. ended up having small parts in Emmerdale and other programmes.. then went on to appear in musicals in London.

CAPA College in Wakefield is an "Outstanding" (Ofsted 2022), DfE-funded free school for 16-19 year olds, offering elite, free training in Dance, Drama, Musical Theatre, Film & TV, and Production Arts. It boasts top-tier facilities, including a 150-seat theatre, and acts as a premier performing arts hub for the North of England.

Whizzgosh · 03/03/2026 19:40

Dd did a few similar performances and plenty of dance exams throughout her school life, there was never any issue with her having time off school, they classed as educated elsewhere or something along those lines.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 03/03/2026 19:41

You are somewhat delusional when you say the drama doesnt impact school work ... he repeatedly (your word) doesnt hand in homework.
Ask the school if he knuckles down, will they reconsider?

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 03/03/2026 19:42

MissingSockDetective · 03/03/2026 19:39

Why is it relevant that your dh and brothers went there? I think you need to work with the school on this, perhaps if he can behave better he may be able to earn the right to go?

I think this child has been forced into an establishment that doesn’t suit his temperament because of “family tradition” and the father would rather blame the son than fix his own attitude.

15February1960 · 03/03/2026 19:43

Devonshiregal · 03/03/2026 19:38

At what point did your little boy start getting so angry? Why is he ‘the problem’? He’s been sent to a building every day for years where people tell him he is wrong for being him and that he should be who they believe is valuable. His parent not only send him there against his will, they tell him he is a problem - so lo and behold he has become a problem. Frankly he was smart enough to see through their bollocks and say hey this system isn’t right for all kids, and everyone acted like he was the crazy one. Now he’s become an actual arsehole. How would you become if you were forced into an office you HATED day in and day out and were told it was good for you? And he doesnt even have a fully formed brain yet.

the school is just being a pain because they don’t like him - private school in particular are used to enabling time off for kids who work or train or travel for their parents jobs for example.

he LOVES theatre. He is actively working hard for it. call in sick and fuck the school off - they’re preparing him for a job that doesn’t exist in the next few years and he would never hold down anyway because he doesn’t have that kind of brain. (consider adhd by the way because most kids who are this fiery and opposed to school are not neurotypical and to anyone who jumps on with the blah blah blah he’s just a dick not ND…he’s 15, angry and loves theatre to the point the kid - who makes no effort with subjects he doesn’t like- is practicing off his own back in his room… go figure)

just pull him and do home school or theatre school if he can or anywhere else. Before he is a solidified arsehole forever.

Well f**king said..you could be me..l 100% agree with you.. l couldn't have put it better.
My moto is..if it doesn't make you happy.. don't do it.

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