To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

[LucyWestenra]

What is wrong with people??

Talk about adding insult to injury!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15602697/amp/Green-Party-spin-doctor-denies-women-raped-October-7-attacks.html

I think she did get punished, yes. Can't find an article or update now (it was many years ago, maybe around Brexit time?) but I seriously would like to know what her reasoning was, and if she's had therapy to combat it.

There's 'suicidal empathy' and then there's this mindset. I don't know if it has a name. But a frightening number of activists nowadays seem to have it, like this Green idiot.

Thank you @OrangeAxolotyl it is heartening to have voices like yours and @LucyWestenra to balance the rampant anti semitism on here and elsewhere. Most grateful to you x

Absolute bollocks stated with such great confidence.

I think that if we are going to argue for humanity and treating everyone humanely, comments like yours are not helpful either. Comments I have read about flattening Gaza because Palestinians are animals are not helpful either. If you genuinely support human rights, extend it to all human beings not just one group.

Even terrorists? I beg to differ.

I started writing a reply and deleted it three times because I honestly don’t know what to say anymore.

The fact that we are here again after ‘Never Again’ and that so many people are blindly jumping on the bandwagon and following each other like sheep (which is not an excuse) and condemning the Jewish community as a whole makes me so sad and angry.

The Jewish community is never responding in anger or retaliating.

There is no school teacher in hiding because he criticised Judaism.

I could say more but I fear this thread will be taken over by the usual shrieks and accusations of ‘racism’ so I won’t.

The Jewish community faced an unspeakable and unprovoked attack on the 07 Oct 2023 and despite that they have conducted themselves with nothing but grace and dignity.

There are no vicious attacks, verbal or otherwise, against their perceived enemy.

Just quietly carrying on in spite of all the hate and venom thrown their way, not just from the usual suspects but from British people too.

I know it may not feel like it at the minute and it may not mean much in the face of all you have been through, historically and recently, but you are on the right side of history.

I am so sorry you are made to feel like this. ❤️💐

Didn't the Queen refuse to engage with Israel after a British negotiator was killed? We weren't talking about terrorist groups.

Comments I have read about flattening Gaza because Palestinians are animals are not helpful either.

Who on this thread has said anything remotely like this?

That is why people think the Green Party is a joke and worse, pandering to the very worst of the extremist Muslims. They keep coming out with lies and crap.

Ffs Hamas filmed some of the abuse and murder themselves, put it online and celebrated what they were doing. I don’t get how anyone can deny it.

Who said that?

Nobody on this thread

No-one. I would have reported it, had they done so.

Of course we don't and that poster was highly offensive.

I reported them though I know some people say - let it stand to see the crap some people put out there - but I just couldn't.

I am so relieved I never saw any of those images (I don’t have twitter or facebook, just Instagram) and then I feel instantly guilty for thinking like that, because people had to live through this and yet I can’t even look at an image or video?

But yes, to deny it happened is beyond the pale and I wonder what goes on in the heads of people who do this.

Not much I suspect.

Why do you keep trying to make Israel the baddie here?

I’m sorry, but I’m seriously questioning your motive here.

There would have been a mass report by every poster on the this thread I expect, if anyone had said that about Palestinians being animals.

You think that one nation is "good" and another is "bad"?

I feel exactly the same. I don't even have social media and didn't seek the images out. Then - as you say - feel guilty for thinking like that.

I agree, OP, that the things she said are completely unacceptable.

I hope she does some antisemitism awareness training - I think that would be helpful. m
If she doesn’t learn from that training, I think Polanski should think about whether to keep her in her role. I remember the Labour MP Naz Shah making antisemitic comments and then doing antisemitism training, which she says she found useful.

I’m not Jewish but am becoming increasingly interested in Judaism, and as part of that, I’ve read quite a bit about Judaism and antisemitism - as very unfortunately, the two seem to go hand in hand. I think antisemitism is much more accepted - and often harder to detect - than other forms of hatred.

Surely we can avoid childish terminology like ' making Israel the baddie ' ?

As another poster has said, surely we can be objective and factual about this?

Yes, Hamas carried out an appalling attack on October 7th, kidnapping and killing hundreds of Israelis, including people who were at a music festival. I don't know whether any of the Israeli women who were there were raped, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Also yes, Israel has carried out a genocide against the Palestinian people, settling on land that was agreed to be theirs, conducting violence and intimidation against them, and - most recently - bombing Gaza to absolute rubble.

Both of these things can be - and I believe are - true at the same time. You don't need to make one side or the other the ' baddie ' . We're not in kindergarten ffs.

I think you don't have a coherent point to make.

Excuse me, no one is trying to make Israel the baddie. I am sorry but I am seriously questioning your motive here too. This is a predominantly very partisan thread and not helpful at all.

I am out now.

I think the Iranian regime are evil terrorists and whatever fills the void must SURELY be a better outcome for the Iranian people. It’s not hard to envision a government that doesn’t mass slaughter its civilian population. They’ve set a low bar.

Just to clarify here for you, before I go, the coherent point was "If you genuinely support human rights, extend it to all human beings not just one group"

Rather than jump on a bandwagon without investigating, investigate for yourself.

I think that that is coherent.

I also have no connection to Judaism or Jewish people, but I have had an interest in it since my teenage years.

Of course growing up in Germany played a role; on a class trip we went to Dachau Concentration Camp and that has stayed with me and is still vivid in my memory decades later.

I love crime novels and at some point I came across the books written by Rochelle Majer Krich (she sadly passed away last year 😭)

Her books were about a LA Detective who discovers she has Jewish roots and starts embracing them and I found it really fascinating.

As someone who comes from an abusive childhood home and who has suffered with depression since I can remember I found it oddly comforting to read about this person finding solace in a religion she didn’t know she was a part of.

Im sorry, I’m probably waffling now, but I stand by what I said, which is that the Jewish community has conducted itself with so much grace in the face of all that hatred.

Love, not hate ought to be their slogan.

Not the Greens’.