To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

[LucyWestenra]

What is wrong with people??

Talk about adding insult to injury!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15602697/amp/Green-Party-spin-doctor-denies-women-raped-October-7-attacks.html

Don't tell me, a Jewish woman as you already know, to check my history books! I could write one myself rather than rely on Wikipedia. And Israel DID leave Gaza. The army had to move settlers away from their homes there. Hamas do not want a two state solution much as the rest of the world want. They want all Jews out of Israel and a Palestinian state formed instead. Am Yisroel Chai.

I don't know enough to comment on the genocide argument, but to respond to your question, there were public comments made by a senior Israeli personnel (possibly army personnel I am not certain) about killing all Palestinians in Gaza (in 2023 I think). I could find you an exact quote and the person who said it so you can google it. This was in a military magazine and i don't think it was propaganda or made up. Would you say those comments would be evidence?

No I wouldn't.

You know about what happened in 1917 and between 1917 and the present day, and you believe that what is happening now is unrelated to that? It is a "new" war totally unrelated to anything which happened in the past?

What has happened since 2005 has been catastrophic for Palestinians in Gaza. What about the barricades around it? The overcrowding? The fighting? The lack of facilities? Not being able to exploit off shore oil? The check points? The daily involvement?

Saying Israel left is classic double speak, surely?

Do you believe in a two state solution?

Hamas has said various things about two state solutions over the years and more to the point, their funders in the Arab world support a two state solution and so there is political pressure. I have seen people explaining this to you on other threads and so I am not sure why you are still maintaining your black and white position?

Why not?

One of the problems I have with the term "genocide" is that whenever I check its UN - and legal - definition, I'm always surprised at how broad and wide ranging it is.

In my mind "genocide" always conjures up a far more horrific and appalling image than the word itself apparently means.

Genocide Convention - Wikipedia

I have no idea whether Israel has or has not committed genocide in Gaza, and nobody else here does either

Sorry I just saw this.

Actually you were suggesting that other people who disagreed with your politics were "bad" (I can't remember if you said bad faith or bad actor but either way the comments were totally unjustified and it was you being rude to others not others being rude to you) and you said you just wanted to support Jewish people so I said that everyone would support that but that this thread was more about politics and trashing other cultures and that if you started a new thread which was just about support it might achieve your stated aims better. No one told you to go away.

i find this thread appalling personally but I am trying to stay polite when I make points.

And by the way, when you refer to "decent" posters who agree with you it implies that the other posters are not "decent" so that isn't very nice of you.

You may think you are being 'polite' but you are just a bully.

"... A fair and equal two state solution with each side in control of their own security..."

But isn't one of the main drivers of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that the Palestinians don't want a two state solution?

They don't want an Israeli state at all

I find your posts appalling when you continue to bully the OP. If you don't like what others post on her thread or what she posts herself, feel free to leave.

Is it these comments and this man (ex-Israeli intelligence chief), by any chance? - https://www.commondreams.org/news/is-israel-comitting-genocide. They’ve been reported in other sources too.

Before reading this article, I thought they could be evidence of genocidal intent which is the position shared as this article. I don’t think I have any firmer view than that for now, as I don’t know enough about the genocide argument either.

I don’t know enough about the situation to have a definite answer, but my understanding is that it is Hamas - rather than Palestinian citizens - who don’t want an Israeli state. I think it’s likely that Palestinian citizens will have a range of views on this, just like Israeli citizens would.

Indeed. What proportion of Palestinians want a 2 state solution? Because even before 7 October they just wanted to murder every Israeli.

How?

Because I say I don't agree with you?

You are the one hurling personal attacks, not me.

At the moment, almost the entire Arab world including iran has backed a 2 state solution and it is Israel saying no. The Arab world have said no to the solutions on the table in the past though - ie that the solutions were not fair and equitable.

There has been moving around of positions in the last 100 years or so. In terms of normal Palestinians and Israelis there are wide variety of views, ranging from one state which is democratic and not a religious state, to more extreme views.

I am sad that this is even still being debated. This has been covered off before in numerous threads which I have seen, with the same players, and yet it all starts again with false accusations on a new thread!

This isn't true. There were a variety of opinions. Just as we have a variety of opinions on MN.

Seriously, have you got any links to examples of such footage?

Are you actually saying all Palestinians wanted to murder Israelis? If so, I don’t agree. Like any citizen in any country in the world, each Palestinian will have their own view of Israel. I don’t see how you can confidently say that every Palestinian wants to murder every Israeli.

"... I am sad that this is even still being debated. This has been covered off before in numerous threads which I have seen, with the same players, and yet it all starts again with false accusations on a new thread!"

I haven't taken part in any other threads on this topic and I'm not making any accusations.

I asked you a question as signified by the question mark.

Who the hell is voting YABU?!

OP I think you should update the thread title to include reference to the Green Party. They need as much sunlight as possible as dangerous terrorist enablers and a threat to the UK. Many people lacking nous seem to think they are do good environmentalists. They need to be seen for what they are.

I read about it in the Sunday Times. Matthew Syed went to Palestine and out of the 15 Palestinians he asked only 3 were at all interested in a 2 state solution. The other 12 all just wanted to kill all Israelis.

I mean I admit if the West Bank settlers came to my torn and took over and told me to get lost I’d be raging too, but it just goes to show that there are idiots on both sides.

This.

There are hundreds of other threads where they can and do say what they think of Israel.

This is about denial of rapes.

They cannot help themselves. They don't have any compassion for these victims.

It’s mad to make such a sweeping statement based on a sample size of 12 Palestinians.

Joani Reid has her own problems. Some of this may be virtue signalling to deflect from these. She has a habit of flip flopping depending on her audience. She did nothing at all for women when she was a Lewisham councillor. Very TWAW. Then suddenly she plays at being a feminist. She is very ambitious and presumably sees mileage in knocking some nutty green.