The Green Party in Denton whored themselves out to secure a vote...

[Luckymum20]

The Green Party. A party for women. A party for equality. A party for the rights for gay and trans people.... They ran their campaign on the Gaza stance. To secure the vote of people who go against the majority of their principles.

I am disgusted that British Politics, which is already in the gutter, a party who should champion ethics and morals, has sunk this low.

Surly I cannot be the only one who thinks this way?

Well, I just looked at information from the 2021 census. And you are now lumping together Muslims, students and anyone non-white to support your point, which is a bit odd. There's still not a Muslim majority anywhere.

The people of the constituency rejected Reform. That is a fact. There may well have been a strong element of tactical voting - this is a huge problem for Reform, because they are incredibly Marmite (this is me being polite). The way they conduct themselves causes revulsion in a lot of people - it also happened in Caerphilly, where the Labour form collapsed and the migration was to Plaid Cymru. Reform just don't have a broad enough platform among the electorate because so many of their policies are revolting extreme. Their national polling is also starting to slide. This is a good thing because it shows that most British voters are decent and are seeing them for what they are.

I am quite opposed to the genocide in Gaza. I also know too many Muslims to believe the scaremongering about how they're all wanting to turn the UK into Iran.

@pointythings that quote is not me that is the Muslim society saying the first paragraph

And? So? The paragraph encourages support for a party that is opposed to the genocide in Gaza. I'm fine with that.

It is not illegal to tell someone how they should vote. Because they can ignore it. You could tell me how to vote, and I would fully ignore you.

It's only illegal if that person then unwillingly votes for a candidate other than the one they prefer. And honestly, if anyone really believes that all these Muslim women and other voters were going to vote for Reform, they're on something.

@pointythings read it properly it’s not so much about Gaza but about ignoring of western values to get what you want

The fascinating aspect of it is the frenzy of support they've gained since.

People can regret at their leisure a significant Green representation in Westminster when the effects of their policies are actually felt.

To me it reads like suggesting the possibility of compromise. Which is what tactical voting is - holding your nose and voting for the party most likely to keep out the party you really don't want. For instance, it might mean me voting Conservative in my area to keep Reform out, although I am naturally left wing. Tory values absolutely do not align with my own.

It's not evidence that all Muslims in the UK want to turn this country into Iran.

It is a tad bizarre. Zack Polanski was on the Last Leg on Friday and he was treated like he was the second coming.

He’s also not as funny as he thinks he is.

Polanski (and the fawning over him, the type of which you refer) reminds me of Nicola Sturgeon (ie a good orator whom, if he were made of chocolate, would eat himself).

Sturgeon bought her own hype to the point of absolute delusion, and wreaked havoc with her policies. She bulldozed self ID through Holyrood, goodness knows where it would've ended up if Westminster hadn't stepped in.

You were the one who quoted numbers from only the Denton part of the constituency to support your argument. I provided the figures from the Gorton area with a little more detail. What issue is there with that?

The people of the constituency rejected Reform.

This is clearly not the case though as they came second in the vote and got nearly 30% (at 28.7%) compared to the Greens 40%. That is nothing like a rejection.

The biggest and actual losers were Labour dropping to third from having 50% of the vote just two years ago. Who knows what would have happened if the voting was actually run within the law?

We know for a fact that there was illegal activity taking place with the voting, someone even admitted doing it on the tv and we also know which demographic it was doing it (the giveaway was observers being told to be ‘culturally sensitive’). The only question is ‘how much’ and how far does the corruption go?

democracyvolunteers.org/major-concerns-over-family-voting-in-gorton-and-denton-poll/

This is clearly not the case though as they came second in the vote and got nearly 30% (at 28.7%) compared to the Greens 40%. That is nothing like a rejection.
So over 65% of votes cast being against Reform isn't a rejection? That's Olympic level mental gymnastics 😂.

This wasn't a close contest. You want to believe that the entire 4000+ vote difference between first and 2nd place was 100% down to cheating, and you also want to believe that those Muslim voters whom you collectively suspect of coerced voting would all enthusiastically have voted for Reform? Sorry, but there aren't enough laugh emojis for that.

The fact is that Reform fielded a rubbish candidate who wasn't local, slated Muslims and women and accused a large cohort of the local population of not being British enough. That was really going to make him popular.

They lost. They really need to get over it.

We know for a fact that there was illegal activity taking place with the voting

We don’t. There’s an investigation underway but no reports to the presiding officer or the police.

Yes, I’m sure a lot of UK Muslims are very concerned about the Islamists plans for far greater power here.

Some of them have tried to speak out on here and there are number of campaigners on social media. Are you prepared to accept that they have concerns?

Rather than gleefully accusing the people raising issues with the lawful running of this election if sour grapes, why not consider the fact that some Muslims have been denied access to a free and private vote (as the rest of us enjoy in a democracy) by others in their community?

You appear to be lumping all Muslims in together. I am not. I understand that many want the democracy and values of our country but there are others that would deny those things firstly to members of their own community and then to all of us given the opportunity. The Green Party is determined to provide that opportunity.

You are the one stoking division on these threads by making statements about Muslims which completely lack nuance. Not me.

From the official independent observers:

Democracy Volunteers informed elections staff at Manchester City Council about our findings on Friday and spoke to the Acting Returning Officer before those findings were issued at 10pm on Friday.
Democracy Volunteers contacted Manchester City Council on Friday to discuss our findings. They declined that meeting on Monday.

There have been reports but for some reason the presiding officer and police are claiming there weren’t and the council have refused to discuss it. That is not remotely showing a commitment to free and lawful elections.

We also have a voter coming out of the polling station and literally admitting to doing so called ‘family voting’ on tv. So there’s that.

Why would the presiding officer and police lie? Just accept you’re wrong and stop trying to gaslight us.

I am no Green Party fan, I think their economic policies would bankrupt us. However, they won fairly and squarely. Their pitch on Israel/Palestine is wholly consistent and national. It was not made up purely for this local election. Their candidate a local plumber will appeal to working class voters. There is no one on the current Labour front bench who has ever had a normal full time permanent job. I watched her speech live when she won. What she said on working hard and having nothing to show for it will chime with many.

Obviously the presiding officer and all the police staff involved are Muslims and are in on it.

I note this pp hasn't acknowledged that a 65% vote against Reform is a rejection.

So over 65% of votes cast being against Reform isn't a rejection? That's Olympic level mental gymnastics 😂.

You have a very odd way of framing that. So if you are claiming that every vote for a different party is a rejection for one particular party, so as they only got 40% of the total vote, by your terms, 60% of votes were cast against the Greens.

Do you seriously think that makes sense? Talk about mental gymnastics.

The Reform vote was up 15% on the last election while Labour were down 25%.

The only party being actively rejected there is Labour.

The fact is that Reform fielded a rubbish candidate who wasn't local, slated Muslims and women and accused a large cohort of the local population of not being British enough. That was really going to make him popular.

So despite all that (although he is from Manchester) , Matt got 10,578 votes.

Spencer got 14,980 votes.

Labour got 9,364

How are you claiming that Matt was ‘rejected’??

If “Matt” hadn’t been rejected he’d be the MP now, wouldn’t he?

Why would the presiding officer and police lie?

It’s a good question. Someone is clearly lying.

Is it the internationally credited organisation designed to support democracy wherever possible, or is it a local council who may well have a particular interest in the outcome?

It’s a puzzle for sure.

democracyvolunteers.org/about-us/

The local council and police have no interest in the outcome. And you have much more faith in the integrity of Democracy Volunteers than I do. I’d sooner trust the people officially in charge of ensuring election law is respected.

Do you understand how elections work?

As 60% of all voters rejected the Greens (by PPs creatively athletic framing), then the winner is just a matter of who got rejected by the smallest amount.

Or you could look at it in a normal way and admit that 28.7% of voters chose Reform and 40% chose Green? That’s not a rejection.

What is it then? It’s not victory, is it?

The local council and police have no interest in the outcome.

How do you know? You are just making assumptions.

There is far more likelihood of the council and police having an interest in the result than an international organisation involving themselves in local politics at that level and risking their whole organisation by lying.