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While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

No when asked "Do you think that Democracy Volunteers made up these allegations", you replied "Yes I do".

So you clearly think that they are lying and not impartial.

You are now trying to back away from your comment and divert the discussion to what is the point of Electoral Observers. The answer to which is to neutrally observe the conduct of elections.

That would probably depend on whether or not you took responsibility for yourself

So do you think that Democracy Volunteers have made up or are lying about the allegations of family voting.

And if so what was their motivation?

Yeah I do. I don't believe there was 25 per cent family voting in Glasgow or 40 per cent in NI as they claimed

Lying and not being impartial are two different things. Aren’t you tired of me repeating myself and giving you the same answer to different phrasing of the same question for endless posts?

But you clearly stated that you think Democracy Volunteers made up the allegations - @scottishgirl69 is happy to openly and honestly state this, so why are you now back tracking and claiming it's actually about what is the point of neutral Electoral Observers.

And if you brave enough to restate your original comment that you think that Democracy Volunteers made up these allegations, then my question is what do think was their motivation?

Are they allowed inside the polling station? Did they actually see what happened at the booth, did they see the interaction with clerks/supervisors

Or did they just see family groups enter the station?

Why are people so absolutely desperate to disbelieve them?

Yes Democracy Volunteers are allowed inside Polling Stations and are the only organisation accredited to be allowed in (both in the UK and many other countries abroad) aside from the polling station staff, the police and of course the actual voters.

If you believe the impartiality of them then yes they saw what happened, yes they reported what they saw to polling station staff and yes they reported what they saw after the polls had closed because legally they cannot go public with their concerns whilst the polls are open.

If you believe that Democracy Volunteers are not impartial and made up these allegations then the question is what was their motivation and why chose a relatively insignificant by election in Manchester to lie about rather than say a much bigger Presidential election in another country. It doesn't make sense.

Because we don’t want our children to grow up thinking it’s ok to be hateful racists who think women only exist to have children….?

How would just watching people walk in and out of a polling station work as election observing???

I believe they made their observations.

And it has been reported to the police

It is misogynistic for women to be forced to vote the right way by their husbands yes. Now which religion and which cultures routinely impose this on women and which religion and cultures is the ‘Green’ Party courting like mad?

You don't see how having police in polling stations can be intimidating?

Especially for voters who intend to vote for an opposition party?

Interesting… what do you suppose Mothin Ali’s views are on feminism? He seems to only allow his wife’s eyeballs to be seen in public…

Is that what people are wanting? Yeh we don’t need that.

According to their report Democracy Volunteers informed elections staff at Manchester City Council about their findings only after the polls closed. They do not claim to have reported what they saw to polling station staff.

Democracy Volunteers don't report what actually happened. They just refer to "family voting" without describing exactly what this means. Is it just a family group all rocking up at the polling station together or is it multiple persons in the polling booths & apparent coercion or collusion?

https://democracyvolunteers.org/major-concerns-over-family-voting-in-gorton-and-denton-poll/

I'm not answering this. Misogyny exists across society in general.

How incredibly offensive to the likes of Afghan women, for example, to draw some sort of false equivalence

Oh please. Be quiet. If you don't think that misogyny exists across all cultures you need to give your head a wobble. I grew up in a home where my mum was regularly beaten and was almost killed by my stepfather back in the day when battering your wife was just a domestic. He took his elbow off her face one day and split her lip in two and wouldn't let her go to hospital - she got plasters instead, she still has the scars.

He mentally abused her as well and gaslit her. Stole from her - she tried to support other women after she managed to get away from him by opening an advice centre in our home town and she knows other women who weren't so lucky - they didn't make it out alive. One young girl she tried to help was persuaded by social work to go back to her violent ex and was stabbed to death -she was 20. She had a baby.

People are too busy trying to one up one another and tear other people to shreds on here just to prove a point

Your post is offensive to me - I hope you understand why.

I haven’t backtracked at all. I think these allegations were made up. I don’t see the point of these powerless observers. I have no idea what their motivation is. And what’s more I don’t care. Can we now put this to bed? You must be bored out of your skull to hound me for the best part of 24 hours. I’m not engaging with you any more.

I am completely sick of being on a thread like this where people are just trying to "gotcha" one another and make snippy snide digs at one another just because the Greens happened to win. There's no debate going on here. Just - you're right. I'm wrong

And if people care so much about the conditions some women live in - go do something about it. Go out and campaign. Do something to try and improve peoples lot.

Don't sit making snide digs at other people and use other peoples life experiences to take cheap shots at people online.

You and me both @scottishgirl69. I’m abandoning this thread, fancy a cuppa?

No I will not be quiet. What happened to your mum is horrible but it’s still a false equivalence. Make it systematised in law and culture and you might have a point. Though if you think there aren’t people that want to move the UK in that direction you’d be seriously misguided. I will never vote for a party that panders to Islamic factions as I do not want to live under an Islamic regime.

You won't respond to me on here again - and if you do. I won't be responding to you. Horrible? That's one word for it

By the way. My mum and I used to visit asylum seekers in Dungavel. People who were trying to build a life here. My mum helped people who had nothing. Sent them food parcels. Went as far as London to visit them when they got asylum. Because even though she's had a very tough life - she spends most of it trying to help other people

You don't need to make snide digs telling me how hard some people have it. I'm already aware thanks