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Let me spell this out very clearly for the hard of thinking

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KillTheTurkey · 13/02/2026 16:34

Men commit 99% of all rapes and sexual assaults.

Men (and young men) commit 95-98% of school shootings.

Men commit 90% of all violent crime in the UK.

These are not female crimes, and should never, ever be reported - or recorded - as such. It can safely be assumed in any of the above circumstances that a male person was the perpetrator.

OP posts:
EstherGreenwood63 · 14/02/2026 12:50

Lots of menz trolls on this site too so don't assume these 'namalts' are women. Menz trolls are the exactly the type of subpar man to minimize male violence. Yes indeedy.

Aluna · 14/02/2026 12:54

AnSolas · 14/02/2026 09:09

Cool
Now do "She was asking for it"

To the tune of “Killing Me Softly”.

Imdunfer · 14/02/2026 13:18

chipontheoldtable · 14/02/2026 12:06

My multiplier by 3 was a complete guess and is likely low. I looked at estimated unreported violent crimes and it was lower than a multiplier of 3, which seemed astonishingly low. Even multiplying by 20 only takes it to 2.4%, an overwhelmingly low percentage. As I’ve said, my point is not that men don’t commit these crimes, it’s that it’s a tiny minority that do.

I do agree with you, but sadly it's not a tiny minority of women, or men, who have been affected in some way by that tiny minority of men.

TheMorgenmuffel · 14/02/2026 13:30

EstherGreenwood63 · 14/02/2026 12:50

Lots of menz trolls on this site too so don't assume these 'namalts' are women. Menz trolls are the exactly the type of subpar man to minimize male violence. Yes indeedy.

True.
Who is most scared of and angry about women talking about male violence and not accepting it? Violent males.
Who feels like something spoken about in general terms is an attack on them specifically? No prizes for guessing who!

AnSolas · 14/02/2026 17:28

chipontheoldtable · 14/02/2026 12:07

Correct, as all the evidence shows.

Yet its mainly men by a massive number.

Ask yourself or do a real life check

How many women (and men) have been subjected to sex offending?

Of which sex were the offenders

How many men (and women) do you know who admit to being sex offenders?

rwalker · 14/02/2026 18:03

now we’ve established the gender carries out the overwhelming majority of these crimes these crimes
it might be better to find out what % of the individual overall gender are responsible for these offences
otherwise your just stating your husbands , brothers and dads are all violent rapeist

Cheese55 · 14/02/2026 18:19

rwalker · 14/02/2026 18:03

now we’ve established the gender carries out the overwhelming majority of these crimes these crimes
it might be better to find out what % of the individual overall gender are responsible for these offences
otherwise your just stating your husbands , brothers and dads are all violent rapeist

The point is we can never tell.

TheMorgenmuffel · 14/02/2026 18:22

rwalker · 14/02/2026 18:03

now we’ve established the gender carries out the overwhelming majority of these crimes these crimes
it might be better to find out what % of the individual overall gender are responsible for these offences
otherwise your just stating your husbands , brothers and dads are all violent rapeist

some of them will be.

RichardOnslowRoper · 14/02/2026 18:25

rwalker · 14/02/2026 18:03

now we’ve established the gender carries out the overwhelming majority of these crimes these crimes
it might be better to find out what % of the individual overall gender are responsible for these offences
otherwise your just stating your husbands , brothers and dads are all violent rapeist

Why are you so concerned about the hurty feelings of my husband and son? Neither are rapists.

But neither are offended if women are wary of them, say in a dark alley or alone in the woods, because how can women tell?

Who cares more about men's delicate feelings than women's safety?

rwalker · 14/02/2026 18:41

RichardOnslowRoper · 14/02/2026 18:25

Why are you so concerned about the hurty feelings of my husband and son? Neither are rapists.

But neither are offended if women are wary of them, say in a dark alley or alone in the woods, because how can women tell?

Who cares more about men's delicate feelings than women's safety?

Who said anything about sparing there feelings absolutely no idea where you’ve conjured that up from
I was replying directly to OP original post

persephonia · 14/02/2026 18:44

RichardOnslowRoper · 14/02/2026 18:25

Why are you so concerned about the hurty feelings of my husband and son? Neither are rapists.

But neither are offended if women are wary of them, say in a dark alley or alone in the woods, because how can women tell?

Who cares more about men's delicate feelings than women's safety?

Yeah,
In my experience the actually decent men tend to "get it" and aren't offended by suggestions that they avoid acting creepy by, for example, not sitting right next to a woman on an otherwise empty train.

It's the ones who shut down every discussion on sexual violence with a "what about my feelings" that are Sus. Or who talk about all this "hysteria over sexual violence against women" with convicted paedophiles. It very rarely turns out to be about preserving the feelings of innocent men.

Hit dogs hollor in other words.

BrickBiscuit · 14/02/2026 19:59

chipontheoldtable · 13/02/2026 22:56

I don’t disagree but what I disagree with is that it’s all men. That is always fundamentally my issue, there’s a big difference between all the crimes and all the men. I don’t think anyone ever sensibly disagrees that these crimes are committed by men, it’s statistically impossible to argue that point.
The crimes in question are overwhelmingly likely to have been committed by a man but that doesn’t mean a man you know or meet is likely to commit one of those crimes.
The government website tells me there were 86,038 males in prison in Nov 2024, google tells me 35% of them have committed a violent crime, which is 30,113.
Using population statistics (UK population, less how many children Unicef says there is in the UK and adjusting then adults to the male proportion) there’s 25,785,146 males. So that means 0.12% of men will be convicted of a violent crime. Assuming a large number of crimes go unreported we can triple that and we get 0.36%.
So my issue is always the all men vs. all crimes point. I don’t even count myself as lucky not to have come across men who commit those crimes because I don’t perceive it as particularly likely. I appreciate many will disagree with me and I’m not looking to get into an argument, it’s just my view.

"So that means 0.12% of men will be convicted of a violent crime"

No it doesn't. It means 0.12% of men were in prison for a violent crime on a certain date (you should have corrected for remand awaiting conviction too). You need lifetime prevalence for your argument. It should also include non-custodial disposals (killed in the incident, mental health detention, served time on remand, alternatives to custody etc). Then you can extrapolate to undetected and unreported incidents. I suspect your 0.36% might be out by a factor of 10.

Midnights68 · 14/02/2026 20:10

But my husband’s nice and I met a mean woman once, so that disproves everything

AliceAbsolum · 14/02/2026 20:39

TallulahBetty · 13/02/2026 16:35

Crumb of context for the poor, m'lud?

Absolutely made me laugh out loud.

Yes I've missed the point of the thread.

AnSolas · 14/02/2026 21:18

rwalker · 14/02/2026 18:03

now we’ve established the gender carries out the overwhelming majority of these crimes these crimes
it might be better to find out what % of the individual overall gender are responsible for these offences
otherwise your just stating your husbands , brothers and dads are all violent rapeist

Sex not gender

Sex is female or male

Gender is stereotypical conduct expected from either sex based on the social environment and cultural tradition.

And some nice husbands and nice brothers and nice Dads are violent and/or violent rapists just every single one of them.

The UK produces crime stats.

Sadcafe · 14/02/2026 21:47

AnSolas · 14/02/2026 10:40

Since you asked before

Can you please produce your stats?

Sorry , I’m truly struggling to understand your comment, , since I asked what before?, I wasn’t even trying to disagree with the statistics, just presenting the fact that a very small minority of such attacks are female led and it’s clearly wrong to suggest that every single mass shooting/ sexual assault is by males. Don’t get me wrong, their behaviour sickens me as much as any woman on here, but you simply can’t make out statements that aren’t 100 % factual are

chipontheoldtable · 14/02/2026 22:15

BrickBiscuit · 14/02/2026 19:59

"So that means 0.12% of men will be convicted of a violent crime"

No it doesn't. It means 0.12% of men were in prison for a violent crime on a certain date (you should have corrected for remand awaiting conviction too). You need lifetime prevalence for your argument. It should also include non-custodial disposals (killed in the incident, mental health detention, served time on remand, alternatives to custody etc). Then you can extrapolate to undetected and unreported incidents. I suspect your 0.36% might be out by a factor of 10.

So still an overwhelming minority then, albeit a smaller minority. Glad we agree.

AnSolas · 14/02/2026 23:16

Sadcafe · 14/02/2026 21:47

Sorry , I’m truly struggling to understand your comment, , since I asked what before?, I wasn’t even trying to disagree with the statistics, just presenting the fact that a very small minority of such attacks are female led and it’s clearly wrong to suggest that every single mass shooting/ sexual assault is by males. Don’t get me wrong, their behaviour sickens me as much as any woman on here, but you simply can’t make out statements that aren’t 100 % factual are

Sorry 😕 my bad 👀🚩
I confused you with another poster who was demanding numbers

BrickBiscuit · 15/02/2026 00:15

chipontheoldtable · 14/02/2026 22:15

So still an overwhelming minority then, albeit a smaller minority. Glad we agree.

No, we do not agree. Firstly, you made a category error. Snapshot data is not prevalence. Secondly, you mistake the tenfold difference as non-significant. Prevalence implies both frequency and impact. Impact multiplies disproportionately, given the likelihood that 'victims per perpetrator' is a compound calculation.

RememberBeKindWithKaren · 15/02/2026 02:47

Maybe we can do something to stop our sons turning into murderers and rapists.

Kimura · 15/02/2026 05:46

Magnoliafarm · 14/02/2026 06:46

Thanks! I knew there was something to my hazy memory! Based on how many formula milk tins have security tags now I reckon a fair few of those women were stealing formula milk and nappies for their baby too.

Yeah, they're largely poverty/addiction fueled offences, with short sentences. Women account for the majority of these sentences.

This despite the fact that it's generally agreed short sentences do more harm than good. Women serving short sentences for this type of crime actually have higher recidivism rates than their male equivalents.

Kimura · 15/02/2026 06:18

CurlewKate · 14/02/2026 06:49

What I genuinely don’t understand is why some women, when presented with the incontrovertible statistics of male violence and sexual crimes, immediately go to “But what about Myra Hindly?” or “What about my appalling, bullying ex-boss?” rather than “Shit-we’re obviously doing something wrong as a society-where do we go from here?”

I think (hope?) the "What about Myra Hindly?" comments are more of a bite-back at people making sweeping generalisations than an attempt to dispute or obscure the general point, that men are responsible for the majority of violent/sexual offences.

I think it's also worth remembering that people who are new to these discussions online (or in general) are potentially going to take things a lot more literally.

Nuance and tone is often lost online, and it doesn't help when terms like 'hard of thinking' are being thrown around. It's confrontational and immediately puts people on the defensive.

People might be more likely to offer their thoughts and opinions on where we can go from here as a society if threads were started in a way that encouraged input, rather than 'spelling things out for the hard of thinking'.

chipontheoldtable · 15/02/2026 09:02

BrickBiscuit · 15/02/2026 00:15

No, we do not agree. Firstly, you made a category error. Snapshot data is not prevalence. Secondly, you mistake the tenfold difference as non-significant. Prevalence implies both frequency and impact. Impact multiplies disproportionately, given the likelihood that 'victims per perpetrator' is a compound calculation.

I didn’t ignore the difference as non significant, it’s a significant increase but still statistically small. I acknowledge your point on the overall calculation but my point, which is that these crimes are overwhelming committed by men but by an overwhelming minority of men, stands. Anyway, have a lovely Sunday…I’m spending mine with my extremely non violent husband, father, FIL, BIL and their respective families.

KillTheTurkey · 15/02/2026 09:08

RememberBeKindWithKaren · 15/02/2026 02:47

Maybe we can do something to stop our sons turning into murderers and rapists.

Our sons aren’t generally speaking these people, though.

They are the children of terrible drug-addicted families, of hidden abuse, of unmet emotional and educational needs, of macho, abusive fathers, of undiagnosed ND and MH-related issues. These stats are obviously harder to dig into, but it is fairly straightforward to predict which boys are diverging from the others fairly early. Sadly, no amount of institutional help (schools, social services, health services) can significantly change outcomes for children who are on a path to a life of crime.

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RichardOnslowRoper · 15/02/2026 09:10

Today's Scotland Sunday Post. The most dangerous place for a woman to be is her own home.
It is, of course, very important to keep repeating how lovely our own husbands, dads, sons, brothers are, over and over again, like some mantra so men's feelings won't be hurt.

Let me spell this out very clearly for the hard of thinking
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