Let me spell this out very clearly for the hard of thinking

[KillTheTurkey]

Men commit 99% of all rapes and sexual assaults.

Men (and young men) commit 95-98% of school shootings.

Men commit 90% of all violent crime in the UK.

These are not female crimes, and should never, ever be reported - or recorded - as such. It can safely be assumed in any of the above circumstances that a male person was the perpetrator.

And then you read posts like this, straight afterwards.

And compare the two.

And wonder how - how?! - the former poster thinks their posts are coming across as the more convincing ones.

If you believe that you are very delusional. Just speak to Prison Officers who work in women’s prisons.

How is it gaslighting? The OP is saying that the crimes that have been committed by men should never be recorded as being committed by women.

She’s not saying in that paragraph that because women only commit 10% of those types of crime that those 10% should not be recorded as being by women.

She also clarified in a follow up post that her OP was prompted by the recent mass shooting in Canada where a trans woman committed the crime and there are still some news outlets are referring to the shooter as she and her leading some people to mistakenly believe that the shooter was a woman.

That point just flew right over your head didn’t it!?

Under US law, when a woman sexually assaults or rapes a child, it it can be termed rape or to be strictly accurate "statutory rape"

OP, while I do agree with you, YABU because you've just accused the entirety of MN of being 'hard of thinking'.

I don’t disagree but what I disagree with is that it’s all men. That is always fundamentally my issue, there’s a big difference between all the crimes and all the men. I don’t think anyone ever sensibly disagrees that these crimes are committed by men, it’s statistically impossible to argue that point.
The crimes in question are overwhelmingly likely to have been committed by a man but that doesn’t mean a man you know or meet is likely to commit one of those crimes.
The government website tells me there were 86,038 males in prison in Nov 2024, google tells me 35% of them have committed a violent crime, which is 30,113.
Using population statistics (UK population, less how many children Unicef says there is in the UK and adjusting then adults to the male proportion) there’s 25,785,146 males. So that means 0.12% of men will be convicted of a violent crime. Assuming a large number of crimes go unreported we can triple that and we get 0.36%.
So my issue is always the all men vs. all crimes point. I don’t even count myself as lucky not to have come across men who commit those crimes because I don’t perceive it as particularly likely. I appreciate many will disagree with me and I’m not looking to get into an argument, it’s just my view.

In the UK that's classed as 'assault by penetration' because there's no penis involved. There's also the crime of sexual assault which involves sexual touching but no penetration and the crime of causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent (this could be used against a woman if, for example, she helped pin someone down in order that a man could rape them). So depressing that I should even know about this stuff.

@chipontheoldtable you're not taking into consideration all the men who are aggressive and violent who are not in prison.

I personally don't know a single woman who hasn't been assaulted by a man at some point in her life.

They do and women should not be blamed when men have engaged in male pattern violence.

I have looked after women with post partum psychosis. It is the most awful thing. They are completely cut off from reality. The absolute trauma they experience is life altering, even if they haven't harmed their child, it is the realisation that they could have done that haunts them. Post natal care is so bad or non- existant these days, thank goodness PPP is so rare.

okay.

Your surprise that I have sons and teach boys misses the point of my original post. I’m not making a claim about ‘all men’ or suggesting boys are inherently bad.

In real life, I’m very deliberate about how I raise and teach boys. My sons have been brought up to be respectful and value relationships, and I’ve spent decades teaching boys and girls who are overwhelmingly kind, motivated, and respectful. The existence of male offending statistics doesn’t negate that, and I’m not conflating the two. My point was that male offending rates are palpably different to female, and that, whether delivering 24 hour news or recording crime, the reporters should tread more carefully, based on stats.

Thanks! I knew there was something to my hazy memory! Based on how many formula milk tins have security tags now I reckon a fair few of those women were stealing formula milk and nappies for their baby too.

What I genuinely don’t understand is why some women, when presented with the incontrovertible statistics of male violence and sexual crimes, immediately go to “But what about Myra Hindly?” or “What about my appalling, bullying ex-boss?” rather than “Shit-we’re obviously doing something wrong as a society-where do we go from here?”

Well, I certainly do-at least when people in RL persist in the “I’m going to persist in ignoring the facts and asserting that women are actually much more violent and rapey than men are-I know that because I’ve met some horrible women in my time”

Awww because your frothing and outrage is more important than community and frontline services dealing with a tragedy.

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Nope

Reread ASAP

(you placed yourself in a class)🙈

Summary NAMALT

Is it "frothing and outrage"when the facts are known?

When it is know that the violent male was and remains male and yet the frontline services continue to pretend he was ever any kind of female?

In that circumstance which part is "frothing" and which part is "outrage"?

The frothing AND outrage over a detail as opposed to the human tragedy itself speaks volumes.

Have I missed something? I don’t understand this…

Absolutely agree OP. These are not our crimes. Sick of the way the police and crime reporting so ambiguous …‘female in a dress’ wrong and insulting.