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Let me spell this out very clearly for the hard of thinking

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KillTheTurkey · 13/02/2026 16:34

Men commit 99% of all rapes and sexual assaults.

Men (and young men) commit 95-98% of school shootings.

Men commit 90% of all violent crime in the UK.

These are not female crimes, and should never, ever be reported - or recorded - as such. It can safely be assumed in any of the above circumstances that a male person was the perpetrator.

OP posts:
Slightyamusedandsilly · 13/02/2026 17:04

KillTheTurkey · 13/02/2026 16:45

Women don’t commit violent crime, on the whole. Women are in prison for lesser crimes.

I’ve clearly failed to explain this in simple enough terms. Still.

It's the patriarchy. Men have to be favoured. So the non-raping men need praise. 'Not all men!' 'I've got a good one!' 'Pick better men.'

RichardOnslowRoper · 13/02/2026 17:05

IkeaJesusChrist · 13/02/2026 16:56

So if a female shoots up a school, which they have done in the past, it shouldn't be reported as a female perpetrator?

Women don't sexually assault? Tell that to my brother in law who's ex wife sexually assaulted him and is in prison for it.

I get what you are saying but to say that they should never be recorded as females committing those crimes, even if they do commit them is a bit of a reach don't you think?

Not sure my BIL would appreciate it if his wife was recorded as a male perpetrator.

OP didn't say any of that.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/02/2026 17:05

Fgfgfg · 13/02/2026 17:03

S1(1)(a) Sexual Offences Act 2003
To be charged with the offence of rape the law requires the insertion of a penis without consent. Only a man has a penis so, for this particular offence, the offender must be of a specific sex i.e. Male.

The offender is male, the crime is of no sex. A crime is an idea.
Ideas being concepts rather than creatures have no sex.

KillTheTurkey · 13/02/2026 17:06

Fgfgfg · 13/02/2026 17:03

S1(1)(a) Sexual Offences Act 2003
To be charged with the offence of rape the law requires the insertion of a penis without consent. Only a man has a penis so, for this particular offence, the offender must be of a specific sex i.e. Male.

Unfortunately, the poster you’ve quoted has chosen to torpedo the thread by unleashing his/her extreme version of pedantry and literal-mindedness all over it. Just report if you see any more posts in this vein.

OP posts:
EquinoxQueen · 13/02/2026 17:06

Assuming the first three points are facts (no reason the think otherwise). What is the point of the final paragraph?

in what context are you suggesting these crimes are being recorded as female based when they should be male based?

as others have said if 90% of violent crime is committed by men the other 10% is committed by not men. Are you suggesting that the other 10% should also be attributed to men even if it was committed by a female? Or is this a trans thread and I am totally missing it!?!?

TempestTost · 13/02/2026 17:07

I was with you on appropriately recording things.

But, no, actually, you can't "assume" that because something is usually true, that it is true in any particular case. That is a serious statistical error and a logical fallacy. You know what they say about assuming.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/02/2026 17:07

KillTheTurkey · 13/02/2026 17:06

Unfortunately, the poster you’ve quoted has chosen to torpedo the thread by unleashing his/her extreme version of pedantry and literal-mindedness all over it. Just report if you see any more posts in this vein.

I have not. I agree with you and have been advising you on stronger, more accurate language you should use if you want people to acknowledge the points you are trying, but failing to get across.

Changedname9999 · 13/02/2026 17:08

I’m with you OP you are enraged at the ‘woman in a dress’ who killed so many innocent people in Canada. (Stating the obvious). I am also enraged.

Onelifeonly · 13/02/2026 17:09

But we all know this? It's not a revelation.

The report I heard on the shooting described the perpetrator as wearing a woman's dress. That's not the same as saying they were a woman. I was very surprised that they might be.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/02/2026 17:09

TempestTost · 13/02/2026 17:07

I was with you on appropriately recording things.

But, no, actually, you can't "assume" that because something is usually true, that it is true in any particular case. That is a serious statistical error and a logical fallacy. You know what they say about assuming.

Exactly, if it is most probably, 90%+ chance a man did x crime, then the correct word to use is “presume” not “assume”

Changedname9999 · 13/02/2026 17:10

Onelifeonly · 13/02/2026 17:09

But we all know this? It's not a revelation.

The report I heard on the shooting described the perpetrator as wearing a woman's dress. That's not the same as saying they were a woman. I was very surprised that they might be.

immediately in the aftermath people were warned to lock their doors against ‘a woman in a dress’. That person was still being described that way by news organisations a day later.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 13/02/2026 17:11

It can safely be assumed in any of the above circumstances that a male person was the perpetrator.

No it can't. There's a strong likelihood that the perpetrator was male but it's not a forgone conclusion.

There was a case a couple(?) of years ago of a particularly brutal murder (I think the body was dismembered) and there was a thread of people waiting for the announcement that the perpetrator was a transwoman. Which never came, because the killer was in fact a woman.

IkeaJesusChrist · 13/02/2026 17:13

RichardOnslowRoper · 13/02/2026 17:05

OP didn't say any of that.

They are basically saying that all violent crimes should be assumed to have been committed by males and should be recorded as such even if a female committed them.

Changedname9999 · 13/02/2026 17:13

Changedname9999 · 13/02/2026 17:10

immediately in the aftermath people were warned to lock their doors against ‘a woman in a dress’. That person was still being described that way by news organisations a day later.

Apologies it was a ‘female in a dress’. If that makes any difference.

TheMorgenmuffel · 13/02/2026 17:14

IkeaJesusChrist · 13/02/2026 16:56

So if a female shoots up a school, which they have done in the past, it shouldn't be reported as a female perpetrator?

Women don't sexually assault? Tell that to my brother in law who's ex wife sexually assaulted him and is in prison for it.

I get what you are saying but to say that they should never be recorded as females committing those crimes, even if they do commit them is a bit of a reach don't you think?

Not sure my BIL would appreciate it if his wife was recorded as a male perpetrator.

Do you genuinely believe the op is saying that crimes committed by biological women should be recorded as having been committed by biological men?

SecretSquid · 13/02/2026 17:14

Changedname9999 · 13/02/2026 17:10

immediately in the aftermath people were warned to lock their doors against ‘a woman in a dress’. That person was still being described that way by news organisations a day later.

First report I heard describing the attacker was of a female with long brown hair wearing a dress.
When we got the full description, my exact words were "I fucking knew it."

CharlieEffie · 13/02/2026 17:15

KillTheTurkey · 13/02/2026 16:34

Men commit 99% of all rapes and sexual assaults.

Men (and young men) commit 95-98% of school shootings.

Men commit 90% of all violent crime in the UK.

These are not female crimes, and should never, ever be reported - or recorded - as such. It can safely be assumed in any of the above circumstances that a male person was the perpetrator.

Its 98% rapes actually. And this is those prosecuted. So those who feel able to come forward. Statistically men who are assaulted by women are less likely to report due to feelings of shame etc.

Also if these werent "female" crimes the statistics would be 100% of these crimes committed by men. To state that women are in prison for "lesser crimes" is ridiculous and untrue

Changedname9999 · 13/02/2026 17:15

SecretSquid · 13/02/2026 17:14

First report I heard describing the attacker was of a female with long brown hair wearing a dress.
When we got the full description, my exact words were "I fucking knew it."

I was same soon as i heard ‘female in a dress’.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/02/2026 17:15

yetanotherusernameAgain · 13/02/2026 17:11

It can safely be assumed in any of the above circumstances that a male person was the perpetrator.

No it can't. There's a strong likelihood that the perpetrator was male but it's not a forgone conclusion.

There was a case a couple(?) of years ago of a particularly brutal murder (I think the body was dismembered) and there was a thread of people waiting for the announcement that the perpetrator was a transwoman. Which never came, because the killer was in fact a woman.

See OP?
If you had just said we can safely presume instead of assume, you’d not be getting these very correct critiques regarding the dangers of assuming.

HelenaWaiting · 13/02/2026 17:15

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/02/2026 16:41

You mean presumed, not assumed.
Also, crimes don’t have a sex.

Crimes don't have a sex but criminals do.

IkeaJesusChrist · 13/02/2026 17:16

TheMorgenmuffel · 13/02/2026 17:14

Do you genuinely believe the op is saying that crimes committed by biological women should be recorded as having been committed by biological men?

It's there in black and white.

Aluna · 13/02/2026 17:17

ThejoyofNC · 13/02/2026 16:44

Maybe we should fill the women's prisons with men then? Seeing as they're just sat there empty.

All 12 of them. Compared to 100 male prisons.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 13/02/2026 17:17

HelenaWaiting · 13/02/2026 17:15

Crimes don't have a sex but criminals do.

Yes exactly my point.

Manymoresometimes · 13/02/2026 17:18

Whats the point of this post?

Aluna · 13/02/2026 17:18

CharlieEffie · 13/02/2026 17:15

Its 98% rapes actually. And this is those prosecuted. So those who feel able to come forward. Statistically men who are assaulted by women are less likely to report due to feelings of shame etc.

Also if these werent "female" crimes the statistics would be 100% of these crimes committed by men. To state that women are in prison for "lesser crimes" is ridiculous and untrue

Yeah women don’t feel any shame reporting rape.