Let me spell this out very clearly for the hard of thinking

[KillTheTurkey]

Men commit 99% of all rapes and sexual assaults.

Men (and young men) commit 95-98% of school shootings.

Men commit 90% of all violent crime in the UK.

These are not female crimes, and should never, ever be reported - or recorded - as such. It can safely be assumed in any of the above circumstances that a male person was the perpetrator.

Because while it can be acknowledged that most violence is committed by men, women are given too much of a free pass.

if a man kills his children he’s a murdering bastard who deserves to die and rightly so.

if a woman murders her children she must be mentally ill and deserving of sympathy.

a man is an obnoxious prick he’s an obnoxious prick.

a woman must be “peri” menopausal, struggling with the daily grind.

women are raised to believe they need never take personal responsibility.

and yet in every single case where a child is murdered by a stepfather it started with a woman who allowed that man access to children before she even knew him, and 9 times out of ten becomes involved in the abuse. That is a choice.

it’s simple. If women want to be treated as equals they need to stop hiding behind excuses. Because until they do people will bring up the likes of rose west etc, because the rest have been given a get-out in the name of hormones.

we need to just accept that there are good and bad men as well as women.

I think your reasoning is good but your multiplier for under-reported crimes is way off.

I'm not sure I've ever met any woman who I've had a conversation with who hasn't seen the actions of a violent man in person.

Men very often don't report being hit by a man. Abused women either leave physically abusive men and don't look back, or suffer in silence in their homes. Children generally don't report their own fathers for thumping them. Women don't report rape they know won't result in a conviction due to lack of evidence.

I suspect that rather than multiplying by 3 you should be multiplying by at least 20.

And of course it's not all men, I'm with a 100% non violent man myself, but the fear of violence from men is legitimate and ever present.

Last week I was run into by a young man on a very narrow pathway who deliberately rode a bike at me thinking I would step into the road out of his way. I pushed him into a bush instead, after which he followed me up the road threatening me and circling me on his bike. I'm an older woman and he could see that. He actually said I was lucky I was female or he would have hit me. His reticence might also have had something to do with the fact that I was with a 90kg man of 6ft 2.

Ummm. rape conviction rates?
A woman being killed by a man every 3 days.
This is just the UK. Have a look at other countries.
Sure, men are taking responsibility, yes indeedy.
And oh yes, the problem of female violence is just the same as male violence.

But now you're the one that sounds intolerant and hateful? Its tricky!

Nice dodge attempt.

This thread was about the State and the media claiming that a male is a female and that when a male carries out a crime they claim it was carried out by a female.

You may see the fact that it was a male who was the killer as a "detail" others dont see that as a small thing.

You said
Well, I certainly do-at least when people in RL persist in the “I’m going to persist in ignoring the facts and asserting that women are actually much more violent and rapey than men are-I know that because I’ve met some horrible women in my time”

You are therefore "bad wimming" if you had noticed that the Canadian killer was a male killer and that the Canadian police are following the Canadian law which "says" he was "womaning" and therefore he must be classed as a female and therefore a female killer.

Because you could not have been speaking about any other event or crime or the posters who list female offenders.

Terribly sad post on MN recently about a man who had been 'raped' by his girlfriend, however, the way the law stands at the moment means it's not rape as this can only be carried out by a man.

I think there's an inherent problem in the attitude expressed here that risks minimising the harm done to boys and men, insofar as when a dominant narrative is established, anyone who doesn't fit into this framework will find it very hard to reach out for help.

I also think that we might be missing a crucial point, i.e. what level of brutalisation is leading to the expressed brutality? I don't believe male pattern violence is innate. As someone elsewhere has said, it's perfectly possible to bring up boys for them to be decent men. So what's going wrong? How do we fix it?

Cool
Now do "She was asking for it"

Let me spell this out very clearly for you. Where are your statistics?? Without those you’re just ranting.

Here you go.. This figure from the Rape Crisis Centre says 91% are men. Either way, it's overwhelmingly men.

You will have to wait until the image uploads.

Well yes, but there is still that very small percentage that are female

And? Do we legislate and frame policy for the tiny percentage of violent criminals that are female?

A woman was sexually assaulted at my local Tube the other day. The perpetrator is still at large. Immediately I thought when reading the headline " Well, that must be another woman that did it. Because men always take responsibility".

Those are stats.

Do you mean that you want a breakdown? I cannot possibly legislate for that, you could be after any micro-perspective.

Google.

And note the 91% number is male and over 18

Since you asked before

Can you please produce your stats?

Hm, I'm not so sure about that.

On the one hand, we have an OP and many posters offering thoughtful, rational and cautiously-worded responses as they seek to understand the potentially dangerous implications of misreporting male crime - ie. to learn from this tragedy. There's clear evidence of concern that we should do what we can to minimise the likelihood of reoccurrence.

On the other hand, we have some emotively worded posts which misrepresent this complex discussion, and coming close to reducing it to ad hominem arguments - "frothing and outrage".

It does seem clear to me which side of this debate is more likely in general to adopt a respectful and empathic tone, and such a tone suggests a genuine desire to look outwards, understand and progress... as opposed to focussing on implicit personal attacks for... what reason? I'm never sure. I do know they come across as being quite angry that this very necessary discussion is even taking place.

Tone and content do, indeed, speak volumes.

Crazy, isn't it?

Facts are facts. The statistics speak for themselves.

We all have men in our lives that we love and who are decent people. That doesnt mean that most sexual and violent crimes are not committed by men.

We probably all know or know of some violent or abusive women. That doesn't mean women are as violent and sexually abusive as men or commit those crimes in similar numbers.

When people rush to deflect focus or deny the reality of statistics, there is normally a personal reason in that desperation. What that reason is will vary but it is always there, waiting to be discovered.

My multiplier by 3 was a complete guess and is likely low. I looked at estimated unreported violent crimes and it was lower than a multiplier of 3, which seemed astonishingly low. Even multiplying by 20 only takes it to 2.4%, an overwhelmingly low percentage. As I’ve said, my point is not that men don’t commit these crimes, it’s that it’s a tiny minority that do.

Correct, as all the evidence shows.

Could it be that because it is rare for women to kill, there is a reason behind it?

Personally since online porn has become more mainstream I think this has contributed to men’s treatment of women as lesser beings.

What are the recent stats of crimes against women?

And yes I know these crimes have been committed since the start of time.

Asking for the source of your stats is surely a reasonable question and one, as a teacher, you would no dismiss? @KillTheTurkey

I think people take comfort in thinking there are just a few bad men...and women too of course. Then nothing needs to be done or changed and the patriarchy is not that bad anymore because my boss is a woman.

Indeed. It shows not all men but almost always men.