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To emigrate knowing it will devastate my mum?

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tangotingo · 13/02/2026 16:19

I’m breaking my heart over this as I know deep down I want to go but it will break my mum’s heart.

Been with my partner 4 years, we are engaged to be married next year. I’m pregnant with our first baby. I’m British, partner is from Eastern Europe and his family have settled all over the place (he has relatives in Canada, his home country, Germany and Scandinavia).

His younger sister lives in Germany and has lived there a few years now. She has a partner. They are settled in a lovely small town there which is very safe. They only work hospitality jobs there but have a lower cost of living - they live off one partner’s wage and save the rest. They are considering moving to Hamburg for more job opportunities. They are at a very similar age and life stage to us and are also expecting their first baby. There is a particular industry in Hamburg which is very big and similar to what my partner does for work in the UK, don’t want to go into more detail as it’s quite niche but we’ve seen that one particular large firm encourages foreigners to apply if they have a relevant skillset. I would struggle a bit more as my skills are administrative/customer service so I’d likely end up being a stay-at-home parent whilst learning German. My job in the UK is only a call centre role so it’s not like I’d be giving up a career, so I’m willing to do it so long as we can afford to live. Partner’s sister is confident you can live on one wage over there, and also says she knows a firm that is easy to get into without speaking German as she has helped friends from her own country get in there, so she says she could help us get in their initially if we wanted whilst we’re settling.

I feel, probably quite selfishly, that there is nothing for me in the UK. My parents had me in their 40s, I’m in my 20s now and they are in their 60s. They are full-time carers to my autistic brother who is 25 and they refuse to take any steps to prepare him for the fact that they won’t always be around. He is verbal but doesn’t work, he doesn’t even have a mobile phone as he refuses one and they just accept it. My dad is a hoarder and I hate visiting their home as it stresses me out. I have half-siblings on my dad’s who are 20 years older than me and don’t care about me despite my efforts to have a relationship (I’ve attempted to meet them on their birthdays etc to not even receive a text on mine).

I have dealt with so much anxiety over the years about how care for my parents and brother is likely to all fall on to me in the future as my parents age (my half siblings have no interest). I live an hour drive away as when I met my partner I moved to a different city to be with him. We can’t move to my parent’s city as my partner’s industry doesn’t exist there. I feel absolutely stifled by thoughts of the future. Due to my parents age and being carers they won’t be able to offer me any practical support with my baby. Since I moved an hour away 3 years they’ve visited me less than a handful of times.

Due to large age gaps with my siblings and the fact that my partner has no family in the UK, my child will have no cousins to grow up with except for kids my partner’s sister will have in Germany. I recently have been crying my eyes out as I’ve realised nobody in my family deserves to be godparents to my child, nobody gives a shit enough. We’ve already decided godparents will be partners sister and her partner.

Me and my partner are so lonely and desperate to be around people in a similar life stage. He was quite depressed his last birthday as it fell during a heatwave and he wanted to have a BBQ and realised there was just nobody to really invite so we didn’t bother. It’s getting to him now we’re having a child I think.

Our part of the UK is incredibly rough and our car was stolen a few months ago. I hate the UK rainy grey weather and get seasonal depression, I know Germany is hardly a hot country but the UK is particularly bad due to being an island and we’ve enjoyed many lovely summer BBQs and outdoor parties when visiting Germany previously. I’ve always said no to my partner when he’s suggested moving as I feel bad leaving my parents, but since becoming pregnant I’ve started to want to prioritise baby more and I feel they will be better off if we go to Germany. I only really want 1 child but feel pressure to have 2 if we stay in the UK as I feel the child will be lonely, but it’s different if they will have cousins which they will have in Germany. My, my partner, my partner’s sister and her partner will all be able to support each other.

We have the money to emigrate and get settled - £25,000 in savings. This was originally meant to be a house deposit in the UK but every time we’ve found a home we’ve had to pull out due to the house having major damp issues. Every house in our budget is awful and requires major renovation works. We’ve essentially given up.

I have decided I want to go, I know it won’t be easy to find a rental and jobs etc but I want to at least start the process even if it takes a couple of years. Due to my partner’s EU citizenship I can tag along with him to get residency. I think it’s best for me, my partner and the baby. But I know it will break my mums heart. Can anyone give any insight please? Just to add as well they won’t be able to visit me at all as they are poor, and my dad and brother refuse to travel and mum refuses to leave them.

Mum was worried when I first starting dating someone from another country and said from day 1 “please don’t emigrate.”

Am I a selfish cow?

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PatsFishTank · 13/02/2026 16:52

I made a really good group of friends when my DC were little through toddler groups and primary school. I think you need to be realistic about depending on your SIL and the challenge of making friends if you don't speak German and you're not working. I think you could end up very isolated.

AliasGrape · 13/02/2026 16:52

LemonAndGingerMarmalade · 13/02/2026 16:51

Definitely go.

If it doesn't work out you can return to the UK or even try somewhere else.

Possibly not with her baby though.

sittingonabeach · 13/02/2026 16:54

Formal school does start later in Germany but I think many children go to Kindergarten from 3

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 16:54

We wouldn’t be having the baby in Germany, I’m already pregnant and I expect it’ll take a while with all of the preparation etc before we can actually go.

We are engaged and would happily fast-track the wedding.

Due to partner’s EU citizenship he can move and work there freely and I can join him under EU family reunification, we have confirmed this.

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sittingonabeach · 13/02/2026 16:55

And what would happen if you split up whilst there? Or you don’t like it but he his happy there?

zeddybrek · 13/02/2026 16:55

Go, life is too short. You won't really know if it's a good or bad decision until you do it. You sound unhappy so give it a try. I wouldn't stop my children from emigrating, I'd be sad but would be happy they were living their life and happy.

SuperMagicHappyForest · 13/02/2026 16:55

Go.

worst that can happen is you hate it and come back…

what I would suggest is a frank conversation with your parents about ur the future of your brother or should I say your involvement in that.

Gagamama2 · 13/02/2026 16:56

Avantiagain · 13/02/2026 16:52

Have you researched what the legal implications would be if you split from your partner and wanted to return with your child to the UK?

My English friend living in Canada cannot come home due to this. She can’t bring her daughter (who was born in Canada) back so it’s either leave her there with her dad or keep living in Canada.

Same with my American friend who had had her kids here in the U.K. Hates her husband, desperately wants to leave him and return to the US but can’t.

DrVivago · 13/02/2026 16:56

Go Go Go!

Ok, first thing..it sounds like you have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain. This will be such an adventure, learn the language and and even a basic bar or café job will seem more exciting in a different country.

Second thing - Parents and brother . They are NOT your responsibility. You don't have to do anything just because ' Faaamileee'. You have spoken to them about the future, they have ignored it. You don't have to look after your brother when they die.

This is your life, live it. You are not a bad person for taking the opportunity to be happy .

Newyearawaits · 13/02/2026 16:56

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 13/02/2026 16:46

Say you are doing for a year or two to help you build your Savings.
When she says, ‘But the baby’, point out she hasn’t visited in years and you won’t be able to visit often with a newborn.
Let her tell you all the reasons she doesn’t want you to go. That’s ok, it isn’t blame, it’s conversation. Answer each challenge calmly, as above. When she says ‘but your brother’, well you were never planning on being his carer as you’ve told them many times before. They haven’t prepared your brother for any change, or given him skills he’d need to live with you.

Just let it happen, over the phone, and be glad you don’t live near them.

Harsh, insensitive comment

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 16:57

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 16:54

We wouldn’t be having the baby in Germany, I’m already pregnant and I expect it’ll take a while with all of the preparation etc before we can actually go.

We are engaged and would happily fast-track the wedding.

Due to partner’s EU citizenship he can move and work there freely and I can join him under EU family reunification, we have confirmed this.

Ok but think about if you split up and he and your child are able to live in Germany and you are not. What if you are unable to bring the child home with you as has happened to many people and then you’re at home in the UK without being able to see your child very often?

sittingonabeach · 13/02/2026 16:57

@SuperMagicHappyForest worst that can happen is she hates it there or splits up with partner and she can’t come home with baby

Emotionalsupporttissue · 13/02/2026 16:57

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 16:41

I’ve warned my mum many times that they need to start planning ahead for my brother’s care and getting him used to having a mobile phone, understanding money, socialising with a support worker etc and they just push the can down the road and say “Oh it will all work out in the end!”

They are just expecting me to pick up the slack when it all goes to shit I think. My mum had a health scare last year and thankfully recovered but dad is nearly 70 and she is mid 60s. They have chronic health problems. He won’t cope when something happens to either one of them. They also need each other to cope with my brother as mum has mental health issues and dad is a hoarder. They are skint.

I’m terrified for one of them to die or end up seriously ill and how this will disregulate my brother. Will I end up having to take in my brother whilst then trying to arrange residential care for all 3 of them? Whilst having my own kids? It makes me feel fucking ill.

What’s also ridiculous is that mum thinks I’ll be leaving my child with them for long weekends, no chance.

Would being in Germany make any difference if your brother needed you to care for him, whatever country you end up in, is it likely that you'll be called upon?

CarefullyCuratedFurniture · 13/02/2026 16:58

It's only Germany! It's easy to travel home to see your family, German is a pretty easy language to learn, the standard of living is high... what's not to like?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 16:58

Gagamama2 · 13/02/2026 16:56

My English friend living in Canada cannot come home due to this. She can’t bring her daughter (who was born in Canada) back so it’s either leave her there with her dad or keep living in Canada.

Same with my American friend who had had her kids here in the U.K. Hates her husband, desperately wants to leave him and return to the US but can’t.

My sister in law had to come back to the UK when she split with her husband and couldn’t bring the children back with her. Its been utterly devastating for her.

christabellax · 13/02/2026 16:59

I have a few irons in your fire - mum of adult children , one in particular quite likely to want to move abroad - and yes I’d be devastated in a small way but also so happy for him to do it , Germany is not so far you’d likely be able to visit a couple of times a year. I am also the carer of adult sibling with learning difficulties - mum and dad kept their head in the sand so it’s defaulted to me , both in our sixties but fortunately she is not a burden and is able to
join in with my life harmoniously and will be unlikely to survive me . I have said to the my kids there is zero expectation on my part of them having to step in for me or her as a carer - I want them to be free to live own lives with no guilt . I’m sure despite your mums
devastation, a part of her will want the absolute best for you too. Good luck for
the new phase in your life - embrace it

Cailin66 · 13/02/2026 16:59

PinkNosy · 13/02/2026 16:44

I don't think you'd be selfish to emigrate, live your life

But you do have rose tinted specs on. You don't speak German and will be at home with a new baby in a country where you have only your partner's sister as support. You won't be able to make any new mum friends as you don't speak the language, you won't have a job. Your partner will be off at work every day. I think you run a high risk of being very lonely and isolated, and even more miserable than you are now.

Fix your life here, why don't either of you have friends, why are you living somewhere you dislike? You are just running from one problem to another.

As an emigrant myself I fully agree with your post. She’s digging a worse hole for herself due to their current sad situation. And she is not thinking about the hell she’s facing, in particukar her language barrier. She literally won’t be able to do anything herself.

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 16:59

I understand people’s concerns but having considered our situation thoroughly, I believe it will be better.

My friend is a single mum to a young child, EU citizen. She also became disillusioned with the UK during the Southport riots and felt unsafe due to having a mixed race child. She didn’t have any family support and moved to a Western European country having only a friend there and not knowing the language. Her and her son have thrived. She has a lovely apartment and very low cost childcare which has allowed her to financially thrive and build up savings. She’s been able to survive working part time and doing work experience in an area that may well lead to a career for her.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 16:59

SuperMagicHappyForest · 13/02/2026 16:55

Go.

worst that can happen is you hate it and come back…

what I would suggest is a frank conversation with your parents about ur the future of your brother or should I say your involvement in that.

Er no. Thats absolutely not the worst that could happen.

Elsvieta · 13/02/2026 17:00

Go, but marry first - and have the baby in the UK.

RupertTheBlackCat · 13/02/2026 17:00

thejadefish · 13/02/2026 16:29

I had my children in my 40's and whilst it might break my heart if they moved abroad forever I would tell them to go. Because it's not about me. They have their life to live, I want them to be happy and fulfilled. I say that without my having the complications that you have - if anything I would say that you have even more reason to go. You can face time each other, and perhaps you will come back to visit from time to time. You only get one life you need to live it for you. You are not being selfish.

This! I am beyond close to my daughter but if she and her husband wanted to go to his country (a long way!) they would go with my blessing (my tears would be copious, but private).

Children don't ask to be born; they owe their parents nothing.

CandidHedgehog · 13/02/2026 17:00

I’m not sure what your rights would be if your child was British and living in Germany and you wanted to return to the U.K. with them but your partner didn’t…you would have to look into that.

@Gagamama2 - all custody (or residence as it’s called now) would be dealt with by the German courts. If she tried to take the child from its country of residence (Germany), if the father objected, the child would be returned to him.

If the father objected, it would be unlikely that child with a German father, raised in Germany would be placed in the custody of a mother living overseas - so the OP would either have to leave without her child or find a way to fund living in Germany.

tangotingo · 13/02/2026 17:00

Emotionalsupporttissue · 13/02/2026 16:57

Would being in Germany make any difference if your brother needed you to care for him, whatever country you end up in, is it likely that you'll be called upon?

I would decline and let the state step in, to be brutally honest. Much easier to do that from another country and less likely to be pressured or harassed to take him in.

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ThePoshUns · 13/02/2026 17:01

You have one life to live. Go for it! Your mother is being unreasonable to make you feel guilty for going. My son is in Australia, I miss him
terribly but I would never say to him not to go.

LilWoosmum82 · 13/02/2026 17:02

Go.... its your life and future and they probably are aware that this may happen. My biggest regret is not moving to Oz for two yrs in my 20s to work as a Nurse and travel. I'm now unable to go as there's no way my ex would allow me to take our DD out of the country. GO! You may not like it and return, or you may love it and stay. But the regret will be never going/ never trying xx

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