to think that Jim Ratcliffes statement is not an apology.

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If you looked up the meaning of "sorry not sorry" there would be a link to this!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cdjm3n8yrwnt

I’d like him to apologise for his lies. How about you?

I think a lot will agree with what he is saying

His numbers are wrong, not 'might be' wrong

This. He's a weasel.

No. That’s not true about an absolute number. He was out by 10 million. It’s not a matter of interpretation of data. You know this, surely - so why are you arguing it? What’s your line?

Didn’t say I agreed with him, but plenty do!

I don't know whether to click YABU or YANBU, but you're right that he has not apologised.... But also, I don't think he needs to apologise. He is entitled to his views. It's a free country, and the left-wing opinion is not the default one that everyone should adhere to. There should be no groupthink. People should be allowed to have opinions that others do not like.

So you are saying lies don’t matter? That’s right,yes?

And that opinion is fine. But you can’t argue it by inflating immigration by 10 million. I don’t believe you can’t see this.

The minimum wage in this country is more than £12 per hour. That's not a poor wage.
If the government changed the tax system and dropped energy bills people in work would not be struggling.

That is how I read it and why I asked.

With his incorrect, lying figures? And still want us to respect their opinion?

It's nothing to do with football.

Or maybe he should actually do his job and win a game?

Of course he’s entitled to his views. But he’s not entitled to lie - which is what he did.

What do you mean? He’s stating what he thinks is right. If his figures are wrong he should be corrected, but the essence of his statement is something he thinks is right.

That’s all a bit irrelevant. A huge chunk of benefits go to working people because big businesses dont pay a living wage.

I am saying people don't care about the actual numbers.

Ok this is getting silly now!

£12 an hour is a shit wage when the rent on a one bedroom flat can be £2000 a month depending on where you live! Where I am, East Mids market town, a 2 bed terrace will cost 140k + Try getting a mortgage on that on NMW, not going to happen. So you rent, except that rent is too high on NMW so it is topped up by housing benefit. So what happens is that tax payers are putting money into the pockets of those who have more than enough, and punching down on NMW earners for not working hard enough to earn more instead of getting angry with people like Ratcliffe and other big businesses for not paying a living wage.

But his opinion is, apparently, based on incorrect figures. So when he knows they are incorrect his opinion will change, surely?
Or - he knows the figures are incorrect and his opinion isn’t based on facts at all but he wants to manipulate others into agreeing with him, assuming they won’t check his figures. He’s saying people are stupid and won’t check his lies.

Very well put, fully agree, wish I’d written that 👍.

Being concerned about immigration and the benefits bill does not make you a racist or ignorant.

Making up numbers that vastly inflate reality is however a sign of a liar. Talking about colonisation and feigning surprise that the word has racist connotations is disingenuous. Implying everyone on benefits is a skiver is ignorant.

Words matter. Mans a weasel. He thinks farage is great.

You vote for brexit? Your choice. But to do it, fuck off, pay no tax and expect your words to matter? Deluded.

but we aren’t allowed to say they are ill informed or a bit thick? When they base their opinion on falsehoods? Or feels?

I've just read Farage's defence of him, it's absolutely disgusting.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-mcsweeney-epstein-files-labour-leader-12593360?postid=11042931#liveblog-body

Another dangerous dog whistle for racist Brexit/Reform supporters.

You agree that a tax dodging liar who is an immigrant and accepts benefits (massive loan for his business despite being a billionaire) has the right to lie in order to manipulate people?
Wow