Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

Await the deluge of “well you just go and give up your job op….” 🙄no one ever ever has an easy life on benefits and any one that can evidence how much people get on benefits are of course clearly lying…

Well it’s a fair question isn’t it. If someone genuinely believes they would be better off not working, and are clearly not happy about it hence starting a thread to complain. Then why don’t they stop working and claim benefits instead?

watching other people’s pockets isn’t going to make you any richer @topicalaffair

The more you earn, the more you can change your own future.

The now daily benefits moaning thread 😴

Well what say you to all the benefits claimants who are doing so rather than working?
if they’re not better off on benefits, why are they claiming benefits and not working?

But maybe they don’t do that because they have a moral conscience and can recognise the country would completely collapse if they did?

What's the point in posting? I you want to give up working, pop out six kids, and live on benefits - you go right ahead.
I'd imagine the vast majority of people in work think themselves better off exactly where they are. I am not a high earner but I am comfortable. I don't have six additional mouths to feed and no demands on my time. I don't have government hanging over my head counting days until my kids are old enough and I am no longer entitled to anything. I also have a pension pot. So I am not considering making any changes and don't believe I am worse off than a family on benefits. I also happen to love my job so "the point of working" for me is job satisfaction, social connections, sense of worth, personal and professional achievement, opportunity to use my skills and develop new ones, physical and mental health. Money is just a bonus.

Yes agreed. I didn’t want to write a title blaming others for being lazy / entitled. Which…

Why is it always a daily mail link?

I don’t think this policy is a vote winner for Labour, so I’m surprised they pushed on with it.

Precisely for the reason it makes people respond in the way you have - ‘why am I working full time and having to limit my family size due to affordability, but the state will fund workless households to have unlimited children’.

Yes because there’s hordes of families with six children on benefits and not giving them enough money for food will definitely reduce that number after the fact.

You do realise if you are not working there is a benefit cap. Unless you have disabled children etc

Yabu to think there’s no point in working. YANBU to think that we shouldn’t be giving out endless benefits to people who have children they can’t afford.

True. However it’s upsetting to know I’m (and others) are lining those pockets by working and paying tax. Which goes straight to other peoples benefits. I’m happy to pay benefits to people that need them, but so so many people don’t yet they claim. And we will now have the backfilling of children start again. It’s a thing - and the people who deny it are either ill informed or beneficiaries of such a generous payment scheme.

That should tell you something. People are fed up with funding other people’s lives.

Let me guess, the daily mail completely fails to mention that there's a benefit cap which hasn't changed despite lifting the UC child element cap?

Are the Tories still making out that every large family will gain from this rather than the fact that only those with a disabled adult or disabled child on the claim will actually see any real financial change due to the unchanged financial cap?

I don't necessarily agree with the removal of the cap, but the complete false reporting of it from many places really angers me.

If you're going to complain about a policy change at least do it accurately, rather than pretending it's different to what it actually is.

It’s faux naive to think that ‘benefit cap’ can’t be worked around.

It tells me there are an endless stream of right-whingers on Mumsnet who

1. Can't use the search function
2. never get bored of repeating the same tiresome shite over and over
3. Totally lack any sort of empathy and compassion which manifests itself in nonsense like "funding other people's lives"

If both parents are out of work, the cap will apply unless disability is involved.

This is the problem with people not thinking objectively - or being so blinded by cognitive bias they talk shit. .

I said above I’m happy to pay benefits to people who need them.

I’m not happy to pay benefits to sham claimants who are taking the piss.

And if you don’t understand the difference, I’m not quite sure how to move forward with discussing it with you.

They needed to get to 25k because that's what minimum wage is annually (-£300). I would imagine the number of families living off benefits with 6 kids is very tiny - I don't know anyone with 6 kids, do you OP?

6 kids with 25k a year doesn't sound like a good deal to me at all. That sounds like a life with zero luxuries and an incredible amount of drudge. Working for 25k is an infinitely better deal.

These articles want to manipulate you, don't let them do it.

I am very surprised Labour have pushed this through, well I’m not really because their whole operation is about building state dependency- both in public sector workers and benefits claimants. If you take a look at the demographic if these bigger families you get an even better picture. The problem is that however much they get it won’t be enough, the Rowntree foundation will be out again next week talking about poverty.

Whether you like it or not we have reached a stage where many are getting ‘paid’ more in benefits than when working esp when you take off the tax. It’s unsustainable. Not only are they getting more in benefits but it’s the extras such as reduced/help with heating, even the BBC were talking last week about cheaper licence for the less well off.

I expect someone will be along in a minute saying we need population, these are the future taxpayers . Wake up - there aren’t any jobs, there are thousands of grads who can’t get a job and U don’t think anyone really believes all these children will be contributors.

YABU to quote the daily fail.

The article encourages you to punch down on people on benefits rather than being curious about why work doesn’t cover the cost of essentials any more.

Half of the families affected by this benefits cap are in work.

What have you got to say to that.

Not much of note I expect.

You would rather enjoy feeling enraged and superior.

Why aren’t you at work or getting the kids ready for school at 8.10?

Oh you’re retired like me?
Get some empathy for the generations of working families. Get campaigning for better, think more carefully about the issues and think about what you can do to actually support families.

What the point of working?

Well, I don't know. Greater financial security and opportunities for progression? A sense of achievement or personal satisfaction? The camaraderie that you can find when working in a team towards a common goal? The structure and sense of purpose that work can offer? The chance to learn and grow and develop? Higher self esteem? The freedom to make choices about how to live your life?

It will be different for everyone, I suppose, but personally, I would never choose a life on benefits if I had the option to work.

Personally, I'm happy that some of my taxes will be used to help lift children out of poverty. In fact, that's just another reason to be grateful for the fact that I'm able to work and pay into the system.

I don't lift myself up by dragging others down.