Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

I know lots of people who have not taken promotion or gone part time because wages are low and it is not worth it. Working in better paid jobs adds stress and time away from their own families. I also know people who have given up work in their early 50s and rely on savings. They are not claiming benefits but they are paying very little tax as they are not earning and spending very little. They are using state services such as the NHS, but not paying much in.

That is all fine on an individual level and I don't blame anyone for doing it. However, across the whole country where so many people rely heavily on benefits, it is a bit of a disaster. You can't just rely on people continuously paying into the system without complaint. Two of the brightest students I teach have been offered scholarships to study in universities abroad. They want to go as they think it will give them better job opportunities. The chances are they will go on to be very successful but they are unlikely to be working and paying tax in the UK.

Yes. 💯

The voting is showing a very different picture to the frothing comments telling you how unfair you’re being. It’s a massive issue, it’s not going anywhere, people are furious and Labour shot themselves in the face lifting the cap apparently because Gordon Brown guilt tripped Rachel Reeves.

Oh behave. It’s not my job to outline in detail the faults of the bulging welfare state. All of the information required is easily available online.

Exactly

We should end ALL benefits and give the entire DWP budget to the utility executives, train bosses, and tech CEOs. Who’s with me?

And disability claims have risen as a result.

Disability benefits are being cut (halved) from April so don’t worry, OP.

The point still stands regardless of where it comes from.

But quite literally she doesn't have to 'earn'. She can just have 4 kids, which she might do anyway.

It is beyond ridiculous now, the amount of money you can get from the state.

And there lies the 'work around' loophole.

@PinkFrogss , maybe they have too much self respect and also more respect for those people who work and pay the tax which funds those benefits than to become a scrounger. P

Children suffer - they didn’t ask to be born in dysfunctional families but the more we deprive them of the basics of life the more they will stay in dysfunctional families and if they don’t get the basics in life crime will soar

but to me the implications for me don’t matter that much whilst the idea that you would rather a child go hungry than pay benefits is revolting to me

Because you just say you or your child are disabled, they don't ask any questions or expect any medical evidence.

It's that easy. 🙄

@CactusSwoonedEnding

‘big businesses who have carte blanche to pay a minimum wage that is too low to actually live on, and BTL landlords charging rents that are completely unaffordable to renters who are on minimum wage. The benefits bill is money in the pocket of the wealthy and powerful, but it's those who are being exploited who are blamed for it by a right-wing media who don't want you to engage your brain and analyse what is actually happening. Don't be so naïve as to swallow the line that the Daily Mail are pushing at you.’

Sigh, you think the daily mail is the biggest issue here? Says it all. One doesn’t excuse the other. And both can be true. I agree that wealth inequality is a huge issue.

What are Labour doing about addressing big businesses and tax? What are Labour doing about large scale btl kandlords? What are Labour doing to decrease the wealth inequality gap?

Labour want people reliant on the state, it’s how they function. At some point there won’t be enough money in the pot to pay people. That will be labours doing.

No one on this thread or in the uk thinks a child should go hungry. It’s pathetic you resort to such obscene statements to try (and fail) to make an incoherent point.

I can only imagine they think this is going to boost the declining fertility rate.

But Fertility rate ≠ productive workforce. Boosting births via welfare policy doesn’t automatically translate into future net contributors to the public finances!!

WHO are they enabling to have more children is important.. Children raised in long-term poverty are statistically more likely to require sustained state support as adults.

If they went about it the right way they'd be looking at things such as CoL, childcare costs, discrimination against women in the workplace post mat-leave and/or after flex working, WFH stimulus (requiring less (expensive) wrap around care re commutes etc) and a bunch of things that other bright sparks will suggest....

I know many people who have been completely radicalised by being excluded from childcare support….! Creates some very silly effective tax rates

… are they?

If you want a debate, it is your job to provide facts. Asking me "Google it" just proves my point.

Yes. Because it is sooooooooooooooooooo easy to pretend to be disabled.

These threads make the Truss lettuce look fresh and crispy.

Because people are already struggling to exist on benefits and then we're left with more cost to the government of ill-health, potentially crime as people get desperate, homelessness etc.

Or, you know, jobs could pay enough for people to live on and not require benefits on top to make life livable and more flexible jobs could be created to help people who have difficulty accessing work?

Rather than blaming people for being on benefits and governments having to raise them to prevent homelessness adhd other consequences of poverty?

An element of UC is being cut for new claimants and frozen for existing claimants.

The UC health element will be frozen in cash terms at £97pw until 2029/2030 for existing recipients. The UC health element rate for new claimants will be reduced to £50pw in 2026/2027 and then frozen until 2029/2030. The UC Standard Allowance will be increased above inflation over the forecast period. For single claimants over 25 it will increase to £106pw in 2029/2030 with an equivalent increase for other claimants.

Only LCWRA payments. Labour taking away with one hand and giving back with the other - as with everything they do it defies all logic but there you go.

I’m afraid it doesn’t. And I didn’t say ‘google it’ but that does show us who you are.