Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

An agenda? Tell me my agenda, please.

Laziness maybe?

A realisation that while they won't be having a fantastic material life, they will be having a perfectly satisfactory life without having to shift themselves?

Lack of self respect?

A grifting mentality?

I don't know but I'd be surprised if at least one of those reasons wasn't in the mix as to why nearly half of all large families don't have someone working.

The policy change is still not wanted by most. The polling shows that and the vote on here. So she has that too.

Do we need this thread every day?

It's getting boring now.

To repeat, these sums have been broken down repeatedly. They are based on a disabled, single parent, living in central London, with four or more disabled children. Her private LL gets most of the money.

And honestly, on the vanishingly small chance this poor woman actually exists, she deserves a fucking medal and a raise.

Did the benefits bill not go up at all under the conservative government? I thought it had been pretty much continually increasing over time.

Lol, Labour are so middle ground, have been since last time they were in power.
Many old left Labour supporters detest the Labour we have that they call them 'right wing'.

But if you don't understand the differences of someone not having to be hard left politically in order not to want to see people starve then what can we do.

lol.

What were you saying about futile soundbites?

To ask questions about the raising benefits bill is not benefits bashing-it's asking questions about the raising benefits bill.

We are allowed to do this and, as a society , it should be a hot topic of conversation.

Yes. Exactly. Benefits will have to decrease as a proportion of our spending. They could be significantly reduced, but shortermism is our enemy and no government will do it. So they will collapse in disarray.

What polling?

Can you share please

The best way to decrease the welfare bill is via state pension but no government will do that until they have absolutely no choice.

Yes the company amazon should pay more tax on sales in the UK.That's obvious.

But you said "I'd rather see outrage for the billionaires who pay less tax than they should. The corruption sorted, the off-shore accounts." Do you have any figures for these UK billionaires who pay less tax than they should?

Asking questions about why the benefits bill is rising is perfectly reasonable.

But the OP and others are trotting out all the usual hateful shit that comes with these threads. That is unreasonable.

It has. Inflation affects the welfare bill as much as any other finances, but the right likes to forget that. It doesn't help them meet their daily quota of frothing and ableism.

We have an aging population, birth rates are below replacement levels, and we've had decades of chronic underinvestment, leading to slow growth and limited employment opportunities.

The situation we are now in has fuck all to do with disabled people. Even if they all suddenly recovered and went out and got a job tomorrow, we'd still have a massive welfare bill due to exortionate housing costs, pensions, and the fact there is not enough jobs for everyone to have one.

YouGov poll last year showed 60% of people wanted 2 cap child benefit cap retained. You can google it.

Overall there needs to be the political will to change things. If only for our children's future. Labour don't seem to be able to do anything to stem the rise for political reasons. So nothing fundamental will change at the moment and we are currently managed decline.

Well of course more than half of DWP expenditure is on pensions and related benefits. The OP hasn't mentioned that. The benefits bill is affected by an aging population with increasing health needs.

Thought as much, wonder if OP also thinks the conservatives are left wing then.

Or what she thinks a right wing party like reform would do to decrease the welfare bill.

Just to add, there are currently 2.5 jobseekers for every job here. If you consider that a lot of advertised jobs are apparently fake, that figure would be even higher. Its quite rare that there are enough jobs for seekers in the UK.
UC is subsidising low wages whilst private equity strip business.
You're hating in the wrong target by punching down. You need to be looking up.

Hence Labour's pressure on getting the Assisted Dying Bill through presumably.

Labour’s policies hammering SMEs and decreasing jobs are no help either. Benefits go up and jobs go down.

Because if you have only benefits to live on then you wouldn't have a very nice life. If you work then you might be able to earn lots of money?!

If you have worked all your life you should get a state pension.

The issue is those who have not contributed, yet get pension credit.

All benefits should be treated the same as state pension. No contribution no payment.

The Tories did nothing either. Was that for political reasons? They did end DLA and replace with PIP which they said would save money. It very much didn't!

Once the baby boomers start dying off in large numbers, the benefits bill will start to go down by quite a bit I would imagine. I say that as a very late boomer myself, before anyone jumps on me!

The proposed provisions of the Assisted Dying Bill are rather more complex than killing off old people because they're ill and a bit expensive