Am I having some kind of fever dream? Robert Jenrick

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Am I having some kind of waking fever dream or was Robert Jenrick part of the Conservative governments he’s now busily accusing of failing Britain? It almost feels like gaslighting.

I suppose it’s a big deal in politics. I wonder if it’ll shift any votes, I guess we’ll see in May for a start.

I think you misunderstand what authentic means.

I don’t believe you can increase a woman’s breast size by hypnosis, but if he genuinely believes that (and I don’t know if he does or doesn’t) then by saying it, he’s authentic.

That doesn’t mean I share that belief.

The fact that immigration has reduced GDP per capita was all over the news in the last few months. I thought we all knew and accepted that?

TBF it is of benefit to big businesses as they can employ cheap labour. Maybe thats what you meant.

He's admitted he knew it wasn't true and has apologised. Maybe he did it under his real name not his stage name so thought no one would notice.

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That isn’t socialism…communism maybe

I resent his speech praising the generation that built Britain i.e the war generation..They had integrity as well as grit. Reform has got NOTHING in common with that generation. How DARE they try to associate themselves with that generation or a former Britain. . If Reform got in it would be nothing like Britain years ago. What a crock. IMO All they are interested in is making money for themselves by sucking up to the likes of Trump. They want business oportunities in the wider world. They dont care about ordinary people. I bet Farage doesnt even know where Clacton is.

Well, he believes in bullshit. How on earth does this country allow a man who has caused more harm to the UK in a very very long time be leader of a political party? It's quite frankly insane. The UK has absolutely no standards when it comes to politicians (and I don't just single out NF), it's little wonder we keep getting twats in power. Insanity.

You believe Labour is a socialist party? The Labour we have right now?! Lol.

I really don’t. Of course he didn’t believe it: he just saw it as a means to make a quick turn out of psychologically vulnerable women. Now he’s seen another opportunity for himself. But by all means keep thinking him authentic, by your own definition!

The report from the OBR stated that it projected that higher net migration would reduce debt as a share of GDP. Reducing debt is a good thing. The overall debt would rise still, but at a lower rate than without migration due to the additional tax raised as most migrants are of working age. This also takes account of the need for a higher level of public service spending offsetting the tax income. All the other fiscal studies I've read agree.

That's not the point Im making.

I do. One of those authoritarian ones too. It's just not a very competent one.

I suppose in some areas you are right. But it's not evenly spread. For example the majority of social housing in London is occupied by households where the head of the household is an immigrant. I've got no problem with immigration per se; I'm the child of an immigrant so one of the stats. But I think we should concentrate on the higher earners. Given that Labour's destructive employment policies and AI will soon mean the UK population will need to do the jobs that immigrants currently do anyway.

Anyway I don't want to rehash immigration arguments if that's Ok, as I think the debate has moved on in the country.

Anyway I don't want to rehash immigration arguments if that's Ok

Absolutely fine, it was you who brought it up, so very happy to leave it.

Well I didnt bring the merits of it up as a topic of discussion originally. I just brought it up as an example of something thay NF believes in and you can believe that he believes it.

But, I don't.

I don't believe that he believes it. His actions say otherwise.

I believe that he believes that focussing the population's attention on "foreigners" is an excellent method of distracting from the money- and power-grabbing behaviour of himself and his super-rich sex-offender friends, and of recruiting followers even when he has nothing to offer them.

And he'd be right.

Scapegoating outsiders is a tried and tested method which has worked across the globe and down the centuries. It has an expiry-date each time, because eventually the population see through it and notice that their hero is not delivering the promised land but is in fact screwing them too – and badly. But it's usually very painful for a country while it's working through to that expiry-date.

30 years and he's not changed his opinion. Hes also not been in power. Give him.a chance before you state he hasn't delivered!?

30 years and he's not changed his opinion grift.

Fixed that for you.

30 years of not turning up.

Of taking money from the British taxpayer to not actually do the job they're paying him for.

Of ditching his constituents to spend time in America brown-nosing his sex-offender chum (whose team are currently trolling the US public by using quotations from fascists down the ages as their podium slogans and on govt Facebook accounts).

Of employing traitors in the pay of Russia at the top of Reform. (It was a company, remember, not a party.)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c891403eddet

Oh yes, we know how he would behave if he acquired more power: the same way he's already behaved with the power he's already had.

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Does Farage really think taking in ex Conservative MPs will win him votes?

I also think if an MP defects to another party there should be a by election. I know we vote for the MP not the party but the majority still vote for the party.

Well I didnt bring the merits of it up as a topic of discussion originally

True.

I just brought it up as an example of something thay NF believes in and you can believe that he believes it.

This is where we differ. I believe he used it to get himself further forward in politics. He was married to an immigrant, and is now dating one, so clearly has no issue with immigrants. He just uses the immigration thing to further his own ends. Same with Brexshit. If he truly believed it was the best thing, he wouldn't have resigned following the referendum. He would also have known that most of the points he was making (e.g. the rules that the UK had had imposed by the EU) were not true (there needed to be unanimous agreement for any rule to be implemented, which he would have known had he attended more often).

So, I don't agree that he believes it, or that I should believe he believes it. I do agree that he has been consistent. I don't think any of them ever thought the UK would actually vote to leave. They all looked like rabbits blinking in headlights after the result was announced.

Yes, you definitely can't accuse Farage of changing his stance on leaving the EU!

Reform are just a bunch of unprincipled Turncoats- how does anyone take them seriously!