Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

What a load of bollocks.

Yup.

And honest to God, I am incredulous after "doing my own research" on that "list" that @Teddleshon1 posted. By research, I mean I used the internet.

No wonder ICE are being mocked. They are arresting people already convicted and jailed..... AND FECKING RELEASING THEM.

And they CLAIM THAT AS A WIN !!!

No serious prosecutor would bring it to trial. Because they already know that there was a reasonable belief of imminent serious injury or death, it’s just a waste of time.

The issue is the innocent people that they're also arresting, man handling, separating from their families. The list of their misconduct and malfeasance is long. They behave more like vigilantes than last enforcement.

Agree completely.

The kind of people who protest vigorously against men in women’s prisons, but would lie down in the road to prevent a convicted rapist being removed from the streets.

They won’t even admit these people are criminals, to them the only criminals are right wing white men. I won’t bother asking them about it, they’ll never directly answer.

Yes, I agree with this. In Spain, for example, you don't mess with the Guardia Civil. People generally know this and give them a wide berth.

Trying to impede armed law enforcement officers while they are carrying out lawful operations is crazy. She didn't deserve to die, of course.

If they are in the country illegally, then they are deportable. It is said they go after the criminal illegals first, but anyone discovered to be illegal is deportable, and I wholeheartedly support that.

I don’t care if you’ve been living in America for 20 years illegally without incidence. You should be deported! You cannot expect to be forgiven because you’ve got away with it for so long.

I think it’s entirely possible that the ICE agent wouldn’t go to trial, not because it’s “obvious” that there is no case to answer but because it is, I believe, very difficult to persuade juries to convince law enforcement of unlawful killing.

HOWEVER, there absolutely should be a full investigation by the FBI in conjunction with MN law enforcement (Trump has said MN law enforcement will be cut out because they are “stupid”) and the president, VP and DHS should not have prejudged any such investigation.

Additionally, even if no conviction resulted from the incident, it is entirely possible that learnings around training, approaching non armed drivers etc etc could be achieved, making Renee’s death at least count for something.

And what about those random brown people that are American citizens? It's a bit racist to assume they're all illegal.

but would lie down in the road to prevent a convicted rapist being removed from the streets.

Who are these people lying down in the road?

Why did he call her a "fucking bitch" after he murdered her? Indicates an emotional response. Clearly mysogynistic. He only let his guard down after he successfully shut her up, by shooting her in the face.

Horrifying.

Try messing with the Guardia Civil in Spain. See how you get on.

The people on "the list" are already convicted and in Jail. It appears ICE take them out of jail and send them to their home countries. So far as I can work out, ICE ARE SETTING THEM FREE.

What do they do, drop the Mexicans at Nogales, slap their wrist and say don't come back? instead of them being in US jails serving their time for their crime.

"Another box ticked, Dear Leader will be pleased ".

@RedTagAlan they are not “releasing” them, they are deporting them. All of them have been subject to deportation orders for many years, sometimes decades. Do you not think that deportation orders should be acted upon?

Can you not understand the difference between deporting someone to their home country and releasing them onto US streets?

There’s nothing to stop Renee Good’s family launching a civil suit.

@RedTagAlan and it’s highly unlikely they’ll just wander back. Successful illegal crossings at the Southern Border are now down to a handful of day, in comparison to the estimated 600,000+ a year under the Biden administration.

I’d like to make a comment at this point because there are various inaccuracies throughout. They might seem irrelevant I guess but they make a difference to the overall tone of this incident. For reference I was a Met officer for 25 years and my DH for 30 years including a stint as a firearms officer. ( I was a Detective for some time although I have no specific knowledge of US law). These are my random observations.

ICE officers do not have the powers of police. They have a remit to deal with Immigration matters. The fact that they wear police insignia on their uniforms is a danger as far as I’m concerned.

ICE operations have been high profile and widely protested. In that scenario any operation should contain a plan for managing protestors. In the U.K. immigration might have police on stand by specifically to manage that aspect. US police seemingly don’t get involved or are unable to be involved. Dont call ICE agents police.

From the video footage the scene prior to the shooting is erratic and poorly managed. There is no obvious chain of command

ICE are in the road and are back and forth to various vehicles. It’s a confusing scene. There are various pedestrians around. No evidence of any control.

Renee is in her car. There are various ICE agents around and shouting. I’m unclear what they want her to do. Are there multiple instructions?

Renee seems to be executing a 3 point turn. She appears to allow another car to go ahead of her. Video of her allegedly immediately prior to the shooting does not show any heightened emotions. Another ICE agent tries to open the car door though which is an escalation by ICE.

Meanwhile the shooting officer is back and forth in the road with a mobile phone in his hand filming. I would consider this to be irregular given the widespread use of body worn cameras and the need for an evidential chain.

Holding a phone also diminishes the agents tactical options - he increases the risk to himself and his colleagues.

The car is not moving and the officer moves to the front. His colleague is to his right. He continues to film. He moves the phone from his right hand to his left hand at the point of drawing his gun.

It is unclear what action the ICE agent is undertaking at this time. What power is he using to prevent Renee from leaving the scene. Is he undertaking an arrest and if so what power is he using? What offence has Renee committed. ( I’m not saying she hasn’t committed an offence but I questioning whether the agent had the authority to try and prevent her from leaving. ). Could the officer have moved out of the way of the car. ? ( the answer here is yes)

Renee is driving slowly and the car tires appear to be angled to the right and not straight. She’s shot and the car continues and smashes into a parked car further down the road. The crash suggests no control of the car by Renee at this point

The video does not show ICE agents going to either Renee’s car or the parked car. There is no immediate move to check for signs of life or administer first aid.

A pedestrian claiming to be a Doctor is seen asking to check her for a pulse and this is denied. ICE agents have weapons drawn at pedestrians ( use of force) claiming medics are on their way. This lack of aftercare is firstly shocking and secondly hinders the investigation. Which shot killed Renee and at what point did she lose control of the car. Any acceleration after the first shot may simply have been involuntary.

The ICE agent is seen leaving the scene almost immediately. At some point heard to call someone a “Fucking bitch” but I don’t remember the timing.

At some point officers attempt CPR. I don’t know the delay in that.

Two other extraordinary things happen - the video footage from the ICE agents phone is released almost immediately. Absolute no no from an integrity point of view and prejudicial given the possibility of charges against anyone at that scene. The second is the releasing of the ICE agents name - extraordinary decision. Either US tax payers are now paying for his protection or he’s currently holed up fearing for his life. No excuse for that while an investigation is ongoing. Makes you wonder why they wanted his identity known doesn’t it?

Unsurprisngly major protests erupt which the real police are now left to manage. ( no doubt quietly seething )

( I think I’ve remembered everything correctly)

So you are confirming that ICE are picking up convicted criminals from prison, where they are incarcerated, and setting them free outside of the USA ?

And you are saying that's ok, because it's "unlikely" they will be back.

Shame about the victims and their families eh. Child killers being set loose instead of doing their sentence. All to add a name and number to the deported list. Criminals by the way who already were due to be deported, AFTER SERVING THEIR TIME.

And you think this is great ?

Wow, just wow.

People are making up lies about RNG and her partner. Why? What sort of person does that and what sort of person spreads them?

That is a really good post @Divebar2021 , but I am afraid it will be pulled to pieces by the people smearing Renee Good. They will continue to lie and lie and lie, even though we can all see the evidence of our own eyes.

Thanks for that analysis @Divebar2021

I guess there is something lacking in their lives.

@Divebar2021 I totally agree, the whole thing was utterly chaotic and clearly badly handled.

These sort of situations are exactly why I always drill it into my children to follow any instructions from police, immigration officers or any other law enforcement and never do anything that could be interpreted as aggressive or evasive in their presence. This of course is not the same as suggesting that Renee somehow “deserved” to be shot or that the officer was justified in his action.

I was interested to see at the end of the Bondi footage when the armed police overcame the shooter and it looked for a brief moment as if an innocent bystander was about to be shot. A nightmare.

I’ve posted all that because I had the misfortune to read comments like this on LinkedIn yesterday. I have been part of law enforcement for a long time and I will defend them when I believe it is fair to do so but that incident was a shit show.

That is the attitude of a lot of posters on here, sadly.

Excellent post @Divebar2021 thank you.