Ice agent shoots a woman in the face part 3

[Moontan]

Donald Trump has now said its okay to murder a woman. Because they are doing it for people's 'safety'

It is interesting how far humans will let themselves be abused by bad people.

I was watching a documentary about jonestown the cult.

Some people left the cult

They said that the leader beat people, raped people, starved people. He made them do physical labour for many hours a day. He demanded that they give him all of their money.

And yet still hundreds of people followed him.

People seem to keep supporting a person and staying there. Rather than saying "maybe i was wrong and this guy is actually a bad person"

I think it's pretty clear that these women weren't anything near the most dangerous gangs on the planet. If they aren't capable of determining the difference between them then they (again, see also being hyped up by being asked whether or not you need some lunch) shouldn't be doing that job.

At least one vehicle was able to drive past, so if they needed to get on with their job perhaps they could have driven past and done just that.

It originated from a single post on X, went viral and was seized upon by misogynists and RW crazies across the internet.

It is a lie.
Another one.

Are MS-13 members usually white lesbian women driving Honda Pilots with a dog in the back?

People shouldn't interfere with law enforcement while they are on active operations. By all means lobby for changes in policy, but its very unwise to mess with armed law enforcement officers.

They're not getting on with their work though, are they? They're taking on jobs that are not in their remit. What does customs and immigration have to do with the woman they just murdered?

Why is it "very unwise to mess with armed law enforcement officers"? Is it because they think they can shoot to kill?

Where exactly in the world do you live that this statement is ok?

I believe it's illegal in most countries to interfere with law enforcement officers while they're on active operations. It's also dangerous for the civilian, and for the officers. Of course, they shouldn't have shot her, but...it's the US, and it's ICE, so sadly unsurprising.

Idealistically speaking, she should never have been in danger of being shot. But realistically speaking, it was unwise to voluntarily choose to tangle with armed law enforcement in what appears to have been the middle of a raid/operation, when tensions were already high and adrenaline potentially pumping, because it resulted in an officer who broke protocol shooting her dead. I hope he's held accountable for her death, but she'll still be just as dead.

I’ve worked with gang-involved young people, yes. Murderers, including multiple murderers who used to be gang-involved. Obviously I’ve been offering them services, education and care so not the same. And I wasn’t carrying a gun. I’ve been in many prisons, including with lifers and other very serious offenders.

But the people who threatened me weren’t those people. Just like Renee wasn’t those people either. Are you suggesting she was? Professionals should be able to read the risk in a situation. Act accordingly.

And the threat level from ICE officers compared to by ICE officers is stark. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/10/ice-deaths-assaults-administration-masks-covid19-shooting-dhs-trump/ No ICE officers has ever been killed by an immigrant in 2 decades. 32 detainees of ICE died just in 2025.

Funny how when they were swarming around Chicago they avoided the dodgy areas of the city, instead preferring to drag pre-school teachers out of their workplaces.

The police deal with properly dangerous people. ICE stick to harassing easy targets.

How many MS-13 members has ICE caught by pulling over white women in Minnesota?

Ahh. The last bastion of the republican rumour spreader and conspiracy theorist alike.

There are plenty of academic papers on the subject of "do your own research" and how it connects to mis-information peddlers and conspiracy theorists.

I won't insult your research skills by linking any of them here. I can assure you I found them easily. Lots of articles too that are easy to find. And anyway, that would be taking this thread way off subject.

So erm, why can't you just share YOUR research ?

The claims that RNG and her partner were child abusers is a disgusting lie.

@RhannionKPSS, I've often read and agreed with your posts on FWR. You are a poster I respected. Why are you spreading lies about a dead woman and her bereaved partner who saw her being shot 3 times in the face, yards from their home?

Yes. So much for the Republicans being the Party of States rights and being against federal over reach.

Abortion, gun laws, civil rights, voting rights.... LEAVE IT TO THE STATE

Federal Agent shoots woman in face.... NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STATE, FEDS OVERRULE THE STATE.

And we can add more to that. Minesota elected Congress reps being denied access/ being ejected from fed facilities. As members of Congress they have oversight rights, but are being denied.

Ilhan Omar, other Minnesota reps barred from ICE facility in Minneapolis (thehill.com)

Quote from that " “We were told because this facility is being funded by the One Big Beautiful Bill, not the Congressional Appropriations Act, that we would not be able to enter the facility,” Craig said. "

Let that sink in about the pro States rights party. You can't enter this fed funded facility because our Dear Leader funds it.

A wannabe dictator using federal taxpayer funds to set up his own brownshirt army, acting beyond the law, and the Party of States rights cheer him on.

Quote :The claims that RNG and her partner were child abusers is a disgusting lie.

Yes. The Hindustan Times among others researched the claim.

Renee Good child abuse row: Was Minnesota ICE shooting victim's partner arrested? Here's the truth | Hindustan Times

The Hindustan Times researchers could find no evidence, but tracked the rumour to source using AI.

"The rumor seems to stem solely from a viral X post by user @0hour1, which provided no proof or references,”

So yes, fantastic research from @RhannionKPSS there. Just blindly believe AND REPEAT what appears to be a totally made up bit of info from a single Twatter knob. See Rhannion, see how easy research is.

I'm not sure what's worse, that people are going out of their way to try to dig up dirt on her, or that they are doing it in an attempt to justify her murder.

It's their modus operandi.

They do it all the time. The folk Kyle Rittenhouse gunned down. The hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. Its always the same. Smear smear smear. All cheered on, and repeated, by their orange faced rumour spreader in chief.

It's all they have.

People believe what confirms their priors.

It’s very believable that a stepmom would abuse her stepchild. But I haven’t seen any direct evidence of this.

What we do know is Renee herself is a non-custodial parent of her older children. But we don’t know the circumstances. Any number of reasons why that happened.

What we DO know is she failed to comply with a direct order by federal agents and unwisely tried to leave the scene, with an agent in front of her car. Her poor choices that day led directly to her death.

Its odd how this works. Usually when a shooting happens, the Republicans are the ones saying " there is nobody to blame but the person who pulled the trigger"

You will find we have a robust concept of self defense. You are allowed to shoot someone who is trying to run you over.

Might help to know your own law enforcement policies....

“Firearms shall not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless a person in the vehicle is immediately threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle
For the purposes of this Section, the moving vehicle itself shall not presumptively constitute a threat that justifies an officer’s use of deadly force. An officer threatened by an oncoming vehicle shall move out of its path instead of discharging a firearm at it or any of its occupants"

Your own Supreme Court has also stated very similar.

As was seen, killing the driver, can create an even more dangerous situation... this guy placed himself in front of the vehicle, something US Police Officers have done on multiple occasions so they can try and justify shooting the driver... multiple court awards made to families and survivors.

You keep posting misinformation and cannot bring yourself to condemn awful slurs made against her and partner....

Every police department has its own guidelines (and be assured these are guidelines).

The only thing that matters is the DoJ standard, confirmed by the Supreme Court, which is that use of deadly force is permissible if you have a reasonable belief that imminent death or serious injury is about to occur.

This is the standard, not whatever police department guidelines you pulled this text from

According to the DHS policy, officers "may use deadly force only when the LEO [law enforcement officer] has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to the LEO or to another person.

In addition, DHS guidelines for fleeing subjects says, "Deadly force shall not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing subject. However, deadly force is authorized to prevent the escape of the fleeing subject where the LEO has a reasonable belief that the subject poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the LEO or others and such force is necessary to prevent escape"

He was in no danger when he carried on shooting as the vehicle passed him & he placed himself in front of the vehicle...

Couple this with SC and dept police guidelines and (subject to a trial etc) their own rules and regs, just ignored on multiple fronts....

You re just making yourself look like an apologist for murder, voting for deportations (legitimate) shouldn't mean shooting people for no reason.

I agree but it goes both ways.

Charlie Kirk’s assassination brought out the ugliest side of the left possible which can easily match this. The firestorm of hatred directed at a widow with 2 small children (no matter what her beliefs) was truly hideous. As was the absolute glee that ‘I don’t believe in violence, but…’

Which is fine except the guy was right in her path. You can’t flee by knocking someone down with your SUV.

Although I have my doubts she intended to flee because her wife was left behind outside the car (she had her hand on the door handle as if she was going to hop in the passenger side?)

And the subsequent shots don’t matter. Once you make the decision that your life is in danger, you continue until the threat is neutralized, as they say.

The shooter who killed Kirk is in jail. Awaiting trial.

The shooter who killed Good has for already practical purposes already been exonerated by the VP himself.

And off on a quick tangent, for examples of how ugly the left can be, I would point towards Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot. Mao holds the record.