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To allow my DD to follow her ridiculous "life plan"

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14HoursToSaveTheEarth · 07/01/2026 20:59

This is not really an AIBU. I'm asking for advice/views. Long post so sorry.

My DD (16) is a number of things including confident and articulate. This may sound harsh but she is also in many ways immature and gullible, and very, very lazy. She left secondary school without a single GCSE of any grade and to be honest I think it is safe to say that this will continue and she will leave all education without any qualifications. Importantly, she does not care. She lives a privileged life in a seven bedroom house where she wants for nothing, but her attitude is that work is for fools and she plans to live off the government until she gets married and they look after her. You have no idea how long we have spent trying to dispel this fantasy and educate her as to how life will be in the real world if she doesn't change her attitude but she thinks we made our life choices (like going to university, gaining multiple degrees and working long hours at good jobs to provide her with this life) and she will make hers.

So she now has a "friend" who she met online via other friends who has had a hard time in life. She is also 16 but she cannot live at home due to her family circumstances, so he has a flat paid for by the local authority (according to DD). This friend has it sounds serious mental health issues, is a self-harmer and has attempted suicide several times, and recently had a miscarriage. I do not think it was her first pregnancy. The friend lives in East London. We live in the countryside several hours from London.

DD and her friend have now hatched a master plan whereby when they turn 18 DD will move in with her friend in London and they will both live off of benefits and never have to work, or at most they will get a job at MacDonalds.They think that this is them beating the system and they laugh at people planning to go to university and get jobs.

I could write this off as a teenage fantasy, which it probably is, but I constantly see threads on MN about young women who are living the life she describes and it makes me despair that this plan may become a reality. I don't even know what to do if we cannot talk her out of it. Do we drive her to London and try to be "supportive" (though I would not give her money other than in an emergency) in order to still be part of her life when it all goes wrong, or do we say "fine, make your choices but stand on your own two feet then" and see her sink possibly out of our lives forever?

DD also has two younger siblings who idolise her and I really worry about the message this sends to them, if she messages them about her amazing life in London sticking a finger up at everything we are trying to get them to work towards.

For full disclosure, as I don't want to be accused of drip-feeding, my DD was adopted at age three.

I know this will probably all come to nothing but it horrifies me when I hear her planning for a future that I know will be so bleak when for so many years we had such high hopes for her future. She has tried vaping and tried alcohol at a party but she hated both, so does not drink or smoke, has never tried drugs and is a virgin. However, she is incredibly stubborn and I have seen her turn viciously on people, including teachers, who do not allow her to have her own way (though thankfully this is not often), and so I can see her following through on this ridiculous plan out of sheer willfulness.

Before anyone asks, DH and I are fully on the same page on this issue. We are both equally horrified at her so-called plans but at a loss as to how to curtail them when she listens to everything we say and then simply says that she has her own mind and when she is 18 we cannot stop her. And she is right.

Beside this ridiculous plan and a general laziness with respect to anything concerning study, she is actually a pretty good kid most days (the moments of stubbornness I mentioned above are momentous but rare), so I have no reason to do anything to punish her. She is allowed to have friends and crazy ideas.

So please MN, your views:

Am I being UNREASONABLE and should let her spread her wings and move in with an unstable friend and live a life that horrifies me, putting her safety at risk in the hope that she sees sense and comes home, or

am I being REASONABLE and should do everything to prevent her from moving in with her friend when she is 18, even if that drives a wedge between us, hoping that she eventually understands this is for her benefit?

or should we do something else entirely?

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Vitriolinsanity · 07/01/2026 21:09

There are 2 years between now and 18. Lots change in teenage minds during that time.

The biggest question is why she’s not in some kind of education. Point out that “even” McDonalds can chose to employ people with GSCE grades, and will vs an undereducated waster.

BeMellowAquaSquid · 07/01/2026 21:12

She’s in a period of wonderlust and it will pass when reality kicks in.

nothingcangowrongnow · 07/01/2026 21:12

Is she neurodivergent? Has she lost all aspiration? Somehow she needs to learn the benefits of a career. Is she scared of failing? Therapy?

Cupboarddoorknob · 07/01/2026 21:14

Has she got a job? Do you bankroll her?

SliceofTosst · 07/01/2026 21:15

Mcdonalds probably wouldn't employ her .....

Havetake · 07/01/2026 21:16

It won’t come to anything.

Tell her to have a little look to see what she’ll be entitled to, so she can plan.

She’ll find out it’s little more than £300 a month with which she’d have to pay for all of her food, phone, clothes, social life etc. And she’ll only get it if she spends hours and hours a week applying for jobs.

Why doesn’t she have a job now? How does she pay for things?

youalright · 07/01/2026 21:17

I swear I read this a few days ago. But anyway 16 year olds talk allsorts of crap I really wouldn't pay much attention

SliceofTosst · 07/01/2026 21:17

Tell her she needs to go to college and retake her GCSE's while you're feeding and housing her.

Needmorelego · 07/01/2026 21:18

No GCSEs means no job in McDonald's.
They get 1000s of applications so they are picky who they employ.
Make sure she knows that.
What benefits does she think she will get?
Because it won't be much and she will be expected to be seeking work.
She also needs to know that.
Is there some kind of neutral mentoring scheme you could persuade her to get involved with. Unfortunately she probably won't listen to you but might listen to someone neutral.

14HoursToSaveTheEarth · 07/01/2026 21:19

Vitriolinsanity · 07/01/2026 21:09

There are 2 years between now and 18. Lots change in teenage minds during that time.

The biggest question is why she’s not in some kind of education. Point out that “even” McDonalds can chose to employ people with GSCE grades, and will vs an undereducated waster.

Sorry, it isn't that she isn't in education, but she is just not interested and refuses to see the value of it. We had a call from one teacher because at the end of a two hour test she handed in a blank piece of paper with her name at the top. I was horrified but she just said it was too hard.

What? Too hard to even try?

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Hercules12 · 07/01/2026 21:20

I think the key thing here is she was adopted. You need specialist advice. I suggest you move this to the adoption board as the generic advice you’ll get here won’t be relevant.

Needmorelego · 07/01/2026 21:20

Is she currently at school or college?
What is she actually studying at the moment?

PipeOfPringles · 07/01/2026 21:20

Havetake · 07/01/2026 21:16

It won’t come to anything.

Tell her to have a little look to see what she’ll be entitled to, so she can plan.

She’ll find out it’s little more than £300 a month with which she’d have to pay for all of her food, phone, clothes, social life etc. And she’ll only get it if she spends hours and hours a week applying for jobs.

Why doesn’t she have a job now? How does she pay for things?

I'd go one step further and get her to do a practice run at home. She needs to start paying for everything her plan would require her to pay for.

She'll need to go through the benefits claims and do a "practice" one (with honest information) of those to see how much she'd be entitled to in her plan.

Then she can play living off that - show her how energy bills are calculated etc and she can do a budget.

NuffSaidSam · 07/01/2026 21:20

I'd be tempted to say "What a brilliant idea! Tell you what find out how much you'd be entitled to from the the benefit system and we'll start giving you that now so you can get used to it!".

Then stop buying her clothes and make-up, paying for her phone, her lunch money, buying her treats, paying her fares etc etc. She can pay for it out of her benefit money, see how far it goes.

In reality, I think just saying "yes dear" and hoping it passes is the best plan. Try and get her involved in something she cares about. It's clearly not academics, but maybe something hands on like animal care or beauty therapy or childcare or drama or sport.

Cat1504 · 07/01/2026 21:21

Havetake · 07/01/2026 21:16

It won’t come to anything.

Tell her to have a little look to see what she’ll be entitled to, so she can plan.

She’ll find out it’s little more than £300 a month with which she’d have to pay for all of her food, phone, clothes, social life etc. And she’ll only get it if she spends hours and hours a week applying for jobs.

Why doesn’t she have a job now? How does she pay for things?

Because her parents pay for everything….they live in a 7 bed home and have lots of money

14HoursToSaveTheEarth · 07/01/2026 21:21

Cupboarddoorknob · 07/01/2026 21:14

Has she got a job? Do you bankroll her?

She is 16 so she attends college but does not work. Although I had a part time job at her age that is not unusual.

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ThatFairy · 07/01/2026 21:21

There is a hole in her plot though, two actually. First she isn't going to meet someone capable of taking care of her living on benefits or working at McDonald's. Second, she can't just clam benefits long term unless she is unwell

Thistooshallpass. · 07/01/2026 21:21

I think one of the key things in your post is the fact she’s adopted . How is her self esteem ? How does she feel about being adopted? How was her school experience? If she was 3 when adopted she may have suffered much trauma in her early years . I think all these things add up maybe as to why she’s pursuing a friendship with someone who is obviously vulnerable and damaged and having little aspiration. Hopefully she will mature and all you can do is set in place strong boundaries about what is allowed and keep supporting and talking sense.

Makingpeace · 07/01/2026 21:22

Do McDonald's publish job descriptions and person specs for their roles? You could take a look together and see what the requirements are for a Maccy Ds job.

14HoursToSaveTheEarth · 07/01/2026 21:22

youalright · 07/01/2026 21:17

I swear I read this a few days ago. But anyway 16 year olds talk allsorts of crap I really wouldn't pay much attention

Not from me but maybe it is a common problem. Hope you are right.

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Needmorelego · 07/01/2026 21:22

What does she actually enjoy doing? Or used to enjoy when younger?

Glitchymn1 · 07/01/2026 21:23

Is this going to involve her getting pregnant?

bridgetreilly · 07/01/2026 21:24

Right now, you do not give her any money. She gets meals at home and that’s it. If she wants anything else: clothes, money to go out, phone, toiletries etc, she has to earn money. Her two choices are that she goes to school/college and works towards qualifications, in which case she earns pocket money from you (dependent on attendance and achievement records) or she gets a job to earn it that way.

She needs a short sharp shock on the realities of life.

What you could do, while you are not giving her any money, is put what you would have given her to one side, as a bonus for a future time, e.g. going to uni, getting a good job, setting up home.

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/01/2026 21:24

Adopted at 3? What are the statistics for educational attainment for adopted children?

Because yes, maybe she’s gullible and lazy and all the rest. But she’s also trauma-impacted and doubtless has attachment issues. PLEASE only take advice from other adoptive parents or experts. Because all the tough love responses won’t work for adopted children.

categorychaos · 07/01/2026 21:24

Are you her parent or an apologist for her ignorant approach to life? Unless there is a massive drip feed then how can this level of inertia and entitlement take hold?