They have had groclocks since they were 3, and they ignored them. The rule was the standard rule of only coming out of their room when the light turns on (at 7am) – which they didn't do – ever. I told them to go back to bed and wait for the light. Again and again and again. For years. Some kids simply will ignore groclocks.
The issue is the same now really. We do tell them no – again and again and again. And they simply come back and ask every few minutes. They seem to have an incredibly thick skin to this. I can't always consistently never get up because there have been times when I need to or feel like I should. So what I've said on this thread shouldn't be taken as me just simply letting it happen – I don't. They can both tell the time and both have clocks in their rooms.
I don't really believe that kids this age can ever understand the value of sleep and rest for grown ups – I think they either leave their parents alone because 1) they don't particularly care 2) they are naturally more compliant and rule abiding or 3) they don't have anxious tendencies effecting them surrounding it.
I have taken the time to speak to them today (as suggested upthread by another poster), and both have said again that they are 'scared'. I asked them what of – they said of the dark, being alone, of monsters or something bad happening (both said a mixture of these things). I offered their torches so they can go and turn all the lights on, but they said they are still scared to be alone in the morning.
Now, when I have gotten up with them, I often go sit in another room downstairs to be in the quiet, which they have no problem with at all. I asked them what's the difference if I'm in another room downstairs or upstairs in my bedroom – it's only a staircase away. They both said they feel frightened to know I'm not downstairs with them.
I tried to allay their fears, but still tell them I am only in another room and they are completely safe, but I honestly don't think that will do much for them when the morning comes round and they feel these feelings.
There's been a number of people on this thread who say they find all this easier when they live in flats and bungalows, as it gives the kids more of a sense of safety. I'm beginning to think our house doesn't help – it is big and old and classically 'spooky'.
We'll see what happens tomorrow morning after having had the conversation and the torches!