To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

[DungOnATwig]

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

excluding trans identified males was just like excluding “women who have had a hysterectomy”
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I am so not surprised. These vile males really have no sense of human compassion for women, all they are is narcissistic self-absorbed men who cannot stand for men not to be prioritised and validated at all times. Males are just like 'women who have had a hysterectomy'! They really are scum, and they really don't see women as human at all. And those on this thread in thrall to this misogynistic ideology wonder why we are so angry!! They really, really, still, after all this time, wonder why!

Another predatory entitled man.

Quite.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0603xz4

Ummm, I didn't think that was a man. Are you sure she's trans?

@DungOnATwig

And there we have it. Trans women are "scum".

And they say there's no transphobia on MN.

To be honest it's difficult not to appear transphobic (to the trans community, anyway) about the opinions of people who think I'm defined by whether or not the uterus I was born with and never used is still in place or not.

How about you engage with what caused the name calling in the first place? These opinions are outright offensive to many, many women.

Some of them are, not all, like the rest of the human race. All of them are men though.

No, but hey, we’re used to the deliberate misrepresentation by TRAs and their “allies” by now!

Self-absorbed men who cannot stand for men not to be prioritised and validated at all times are scum. Males who claim they are just like 'women who have had a hysterectomy' are scum.

If you think that applies to all trans identifying males rather than just misogynistic TRAs then wow - you are a massive transphobe.

Hypocrite much?!

Ah, "look what you made me do".

I see.

Personally, no because encountering a transwoman in a public loo wouldn’t concern me. I was replying to another poster who said how can you establish which person had had surgery? The only way is to ask if such an encounter really causes you distress or concern. The TW is then at perfect liberty to reply or to tell the questioner to mind their own business, obviously.

As I say, such encounters do not distress me but in response to that direct question, that was the only way I could think of.

Alternatively, go about your business and let them go about theirs 🤷‍♀️

You see? I really don't think you do, and neither do I think you care.

How about them letting us go about ours? A man entering a space where women are vulnerable, such as toilets or changing rooms, is not a neutral act. Not even if he ‘just wants to pee in peace.’ What about the women who just want to pee in peace, rather than next to a potentially predatory male? We cannot tell which male is predatory. Putting a dress on or adopting an identity does not prevent men from being predators. Quite the opposite: predators will exploit any loophole to access women and children, including putting on a dress or uttering the magical mantra.

Just as good men stay out so that bad men stand out, good trans-identifying men must stay out so that bad men stand out.

The actor is appearing in a film. I don't see what the OP has to do with women's spaces.

No! MALES who say RAPE SURVIVORS LIKE ME who need female only spaces are scum. Nothing to do with 'trans women'.

Talking about "look what you made me do"? These are you mob; own it!

Can I ask you; would encountering an obvious male, a fully intact obvious male, in the ladies toilets not concern you?

The topic moved past just films.

Because a number of people replied to the OP to the effect of “Why did you need to say anything about the trans identifying actor/character at all? It doesn’t affect you or anyone else if a man presents as a woman.”
Whereas in fact it absolutely affects other people, in particular girls and women. And it’s vital that people don’t fall for the TRA lies to the contrary.

I feel a bit sorry for people who've been camped out on here for most of yesterday and today driving the topic way beyond the OP.

No you don't 🙂

After all, you're here too!

Happy Christmas 😘

Men who pretend they are women and try to enter women's single sex spaces are scum correct.

Acting is a performance. At the end, the audience applaud if they approve of the performance. Or they remain silent, or boo, if they disapprove of the performance. When the audience boos the villain the actor doesn’t take it personally because it is about the character he is portraying, not himself as a person. After the performance the actor reverts to his normal self.

A man living ‘as a woman’ is a performance. The difference being that the audience are expected to applaud the performance, and to treat it as reality. If they disapprove of the performance it is taken as a personal attack upon the performer. They are certainly not allowed to express their disapproval. If they don’t want to join in with the performance it is also taken as a personal attack.

This actor expects us to see him as a woman both on and off stage. Acting invites the audience to suspend their disbelief. Trans demands that we believe.

Quite 😂