To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

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Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

Why do you just assume your DS is straight? Have they told you that ? Shame you’ve ruined your Christmas for such stupidity, who care how people want to dress or do make up

Yes, he is a TiM. It’s stated clearly in his IMDB bio

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2340289/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

I genuinely couldn't care less about a trans person being in the film, it was a small role and I'm assuming whatever the characters "gender identity" was had no relevance to the plot of the film.

It's interesting though, you get the "you can't even tell who is trans" people who insist that you could never tell the difference between a trans identified man and a woman, yet I remember the first time I watched this I clocked the actor was trans and a quick Google proved me correct. Rebecca Root also voices Madame Pomfrey in the new cast version of the Harry Potter audio books. It took about 5 seconds of me hearing the voice, to then think "I wonder if this person is trans" to then googling and again being proved correct.

Just proof the "you can never tell" crowd are talking rubbish

No.

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No. It wouldn’t/doesnt. We’ve ravelled for years and unisex loos are very common. It’s never troubled me.

Travelled!

I’d probably have said something along the lines of ‘he is a man, but people can dress however they like, and sometimes people like to wear clothes you’d typically associate with the opposite sex and that’s ok’. Because I personally think it’s really really sad that important truth has been lost in the trans ‘sex change’ fantasy.

That’s you. I honestly didn’t clock her . I’m 61 with an interesting life.

I would love to know what DD17 (lesbian, because apparently that's a relevant detail) was typing on her phone, hopefully both her and the straight 11 year old have some normal adults in their lives

As an aside, it's strange how joyless terfs always look

“It's interesting though, you get the ‘you can't even tell who is trans’ people who insist that you could never tell the difference between a trans identified man and a woman, yet I remember the first time I watched this I clocked the actor was trans and a quick Google proved me correct.

Rebecca Root also voices Madame Pomfrey in the new cast version of the Harry Potter audio books*. It took about 5 seconds of me hearing the voice, to then think "I wonder if this person is trans" to then googling and again being proved correct.
Just proof the ‘you can never tell’ crowd are talking rubbish “

Yes, you can always tell. Always. I honestly don’t know how some people can’t. I watched a true crime documentary recently about the disappearance of a young woman, as soon as they showed ‘her’ photo I knew it was actually a man, yet it was another 20 minutes into the programme before the police ‘discovered’ she was actually a he, like a big shock-reveal. My eyes were rolling so hard I could see yesterday.

*and I thought Harry Potter was cancelled in the trans affirming world…

Those women look fairly joyful to me, maybe you’re just a misogynist.

“As an aside, it's strange how joyless terfs always look”

Because we should be so joyful knowing people like this exist should we @Catssuddenlyappear?

Unless you have actually met every single transwoman on the the planet, I don’t know how you can categorically say that you can always tell.

I forgot for a moment that women's role was to smile and look pretty for men at all times

Well you are in the extreme minority. The vast overwhelming majority of women would feel frightened and uncomfortable, and don't want unisex toilets as the risk to us is increased. Women flee to the ladies to escape a man. We cry. Seek help. We miscarry there. We change out at the sinks to go clubbing. We wash blood-stained underwear at the sink, and baby sick off our blouses. We are in a semi state of dress. We don't want MALES there, most people know and understand this.

I think there are a vanishingly small number of men who could pass for women IRL (rather than in an easily filtered still picture). They do exist, but most of these men don’t, including Rebecca Root.

Wow. Imagine using a serious moment in a speech to 'prove' anything. Beyond desperate.

And you talk of 'normal' but Gender Ideology is absolutely not normal at all. Feminists really make you feel threatened don't they.

I don't think unisex loos are the same anyway.

Turkeys voting for Xmas springs to mind.

I actually had a woman tell me that she’d rather be in a toilet with a trans woman/man, than a woman who was a feminist, especially a ‘TERF’. Apparently they’d feel safer around trans women/men. Madness. When you’re dealing with that sort of mentality, I despair. Thankfully, most women and men seem to get it.

That’s fine for you. You can consent for yourself. You cannot consent for other women.

It’s nauseating fawning.

Of course,.

It's odd - I've found myself able to express all manner of views about trans people (I don't believe a man can 'become' a woman, for example), yet I've never been accused of making personal attacks.

I don't take a trans person simply existing (or acting in a movie in this case) as an invitation to rant about how safe they may or may not be in bathrooms, or how well they 'pass', or assume that they must have certain beliefs or expectations around how they should be treated, either as an individual or a group.

I remember the first time I watched this I clocked the actor was trans and a quick Google proved me correct.

Why did you need to Google to confirm it if you were so sure?

Yes, you can always tell. Always.

You can't, without Google to reassure you, apparently. Anyone who says they can 'always' tell is a liar.

I don't understand the obsession with being able to 'tell'. Bizarre.

I've never seen women changing in the public area of women's toilets, or washing their clothes or undressed for any other reasons. I think this is one of those great MN myths.

Generally unisex toilets have a basin in the cubicle, so if women really want to undress and wash things they can do so in private.

How many people really scrutinise the other women using the toilets? I strongly suspect the reality is that we have all encountered trans women there and haven't even noticed. I'm with Mrs SW, it doesn't bother me.