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Why do men hate women so much?

494 replies

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:18

I’m on the larger side, a size 18. Walking back from work with my headphones in and on my phone and a guy leans out of his car window (passenger side) in slow moving traffic, barks at me like a dog and calls me a fat bitch. Him and his mates in the car then crack up at it and find themselves absolutely hilarious as they’re crawling along next to me.

I know it’s silly to be so upset by it because it’s such a silly thing for them to do, but they took me by surprise and gave me a fright and I just don’t get it. Why are men like this?

OP posts:
40YearOldDad · 19/12/2025 09:05

growingsideway · 18/12/2025 17:29

Maybe not around you but stick them in a car of other men, make them relatively anonymous and I bet they would.

First of all, I'm sorry for what happened to you. Some people are pricks, and you're right to a degree; it's a pack mentality. He would probably have been drooling at you rather than barking if he were alone.

We all have a moral compass inside of us. For some, it's really weak and can easily be pulled south by that pack mentality, and others hold firm and are genuinely lovely people. Don't let one prick bring you down.

TallulahBetty · 19/12/2025 09:09

"Not all men" - but always a man!

I feel you, OP - and it's getting worse. The world is a giant misogynist.

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 09:19

jasflowers · 19/12/2025 08:08

Trouble is there aren't too many men who do get involved with parenting but thats no excuse.

However, me and my brother were bought up by our mum, no male influences at all, he wouldn't dream of shouting abuse at a woman, our mum drummed into us the importance of respect and manners.

Men who do shout abuse are usually inadequate & of low intelligence.

I'm pleased the Govt is now going to introduce anti misogyny classes into schools, we do need to counter the Andrew Tates of this world.

A pity other parties are poo hooing this idea.

And for all those implying all men are awful and all women are not that's not my experience AT ALL. I have obviously had abuse from men. As we all have. But I have 2 sons who are lovely kids. Easily as kind if not more so than the girls in their class. I have a husband who is a good man and has more than once actively defended women from little shits on the bus who were hurling abuse and I was raised by an amazing man, alone with my sister after our alcoholic mum walked out and abandoned us and him when we were ages 7 and 3. So yeah my experience of men is absolutely NOT all bad at all but my experience of women (from my mother at least) isn't all roses and kittens either

HoneyParsnipSoup · 19/12/2025 09:21

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 09:19

And for all those implying all men are awful and all women are not that's not my experience AT ALL. I have obviously had abuse from men. As we all have. But I have 2 sons who are lovely kids. Easily as kind if not more so than the girls in their class. I have a husband who is a good man and has more than once actively defended women from little shits on the bus who were hurling abuse and I was raised by an amazing man, alone with my sister after our alcoholic mum walked out and abandoned us and him when we were ages 7 and 3. So yeah my experience of men is absolutely NOT all bad at all but my experience of women (from my mother at least) isn't all roses and kittens either

Ffs your sons wouldn’t sexually assault or catcall somebody in front of you would they?

surreygirly · 19/12/2025 09:24

Another all men are shit thread zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I do not know any man who hates women
I have male family members
Male mates
Male colleagues

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 09:26

HoneyParsnipSoup · 19/12/2025 09:21

Ffs your sons wouldn’t sexually assault or catcall somebody in front of you would they?

Ok. Well you go through your sad little life thinking all males are awful. Thats fine. You're wrong though.

charcoalandsugar · 19/12/2025 09:31

surreygirly · 19/12/2025 09:24

Another all men are shit thread zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I do not know any man who hates women
I have male family members
Male mates
Male colleagues

The stats speak for themselves about men as a sex class.

Every 3 seconds a domestic abuse incident is reported to police

93% of defendants in domestic abuse cases are male

62% of women reported fear of public spaces due to men as a sex class

1 in 4 women will be raped or assaulted by a man in their lifetime

Women change their behaviour because they fear male violence

Women will take taxi’s home even if they would prefer to walk due to safety concerns about men as a sex class.

Women are advised not to walk home with earphones in to keep themselves alert to the threat of male violence

Women will hold their keys between their fingers as a weapon because they fear men as a sex class

Women cross the road if they sense a male is walking behind them at night.

Women are often subjected to being filmed in toilets and upskirted by men as a sex class and this is a growing problem.

Approx. 3 women per week die by suicide as a result of domestic abuse

98% arrested for sexual assault are male

79800 women across England and Wales are raped or sexually assaulted every year

94% of rape survivors are women

5 in 6 women who are raped don’t report it to the police

9 in 10 girls in schools, say sexist name-calling and being sent unwanted images of a sexual nature happens to them or their peers.

MEN AS A SEX CLASS POSE A DANGER TO WOMEN .

PoorPhaedra · 19/12/2025 09:32

My theory is that men have a deep, subconscious insecurity due to the fact that women give birth and they can never 100% guarantee that any baby belongs to them. This insecurity over the past thousand years is what has caused them to repress, subjugate and dominate women as a way of attempting to assert control over something they can’t 100% control.

charcoalandsugar · 19/12/2025 09:45

PoorPhaedra · 19/12/2025 09:32

My theory is that men have a deep, subconscious insecurity due to the fact that women give birth and they can never 100% guarantee that any baby belongs to them. This insecurity over the past thousand years is what has caused them to repress, subjugate and dominate women as a way of attempting to assert control over something they can’t 100% control.

I think it’s more simple than that, it’s because they physically can.

echt · 19/12/2025 09:46

charcoalandsugar · 19/12/2025 09:45

I think it’s more simple than that, it’s because they physically can.

Yep. Same as why dogs lick their genitals. Because they can.

HelloPossible · 19/12/2025 09:55

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 09:26

Ok. Well you go through your sad little life thinking all males are awful. Thats fine. You're wrong though.

Nobody is saying all men are awful but I am saying that some women have no idea what their men are like outside the home with their mates or how they interact with the world when their women aren’t there. I have worked in male dominated environments and the most upsetting male behaviour to me was always when they disrespected their wives. I seriously never wanted to know what these poor women did or didn’t do in bed and when. Our society is set up in a way that a man’s domestic life can be very separated from the rest of his world.

BookMarque · 19/12/2025 09:58

Remember ladies we can lose the weight if we want to but these men who shout abuse about our weight will always be twisted ugly souls . Said it to one man who sneered at my weight , “ I can lose the weight but you will always be short and ugly . “ He didn’t like that especially as his mates burst out laughing.

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 10:16

HelloPossible · 19/12/2025 09:55

Nobody is saying all men are awful but I am saying that some women have no idea what their men are like outside the home with their mates or how they interact with the world when their women aren’t there. I have worked in male dominated environments and the most upsetting male behaviour to me was always when they disrespected their wives. I seriously never wanted to know what these poor women did or didn’t do in bed and when. Our society is set up in a way that a man’s domestic life can be very separated from the rest of his world.

Actually plenty of people are saying all men are awful. In fact the title of the thread is why do men hate women. And every poster who has said its not the case that all men are awful have been jumped on by the man haters. I 100% agree that there is a huge disparity between the harm caused by men and that by women. But its absolutely true that MOST men are not awful and also plenty of women are awful too. And I have personally experienced both horrible men and horrible women. As well as great versions of both. The males in my life are good people.
And actually if you grouped any other group of people in the same way because a minority of them.were bad and implied tgat meant they wer ALL bad you'd rightly be called out on your prejudice.
That is NOT to suggest we dont have a problem with VAWAG. We obviously do. But its by a minority of men.

charcoalandsugar · 19/12/2025 10:25

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 10:16

Actually plenty of people are saying all men are awful. In fact the title of the thread is why do men hate women. And every poster who has said its not the case that all men are awful have been jumped on by the man haters. I 100% agree that there is a huge disparity between the harm caused by men and that by women. But its absolutely true that MOST men are not awful and also plenty of women are awful too. And I have personally experienced both horrible men and horrible women. As well as great versions of both. The males in my life are good people.
And actually if you grouped any other group of people in the same way because a minority of them.were bad and implied tgat meant they wer ALL bad you'd rightly be called out on your prejudice.
That is NOT to suggest we dont have a problem with VAWAG. We obviously do. But its by a minority of men.

Every 3 seconds a domestic abuse incident is reported to police
How is that a minority?

1 in 4 women will be raped or assaulted by a man in their lifetime
How is that a minority?

Women change their behaviour because they fear male violence
How is that a minority?

79800 women across England and Wales are raped or sexually assaulted every year
5 in 6 women who are raped don’t report it to the police
How is that a minority?

94% of rape survivors are women

9 in 10 girls in schools, say sexist name-calling and being sent unwanted images of a sexual nature happens to them or their peers.
How is that a minority?

HelloPossible · 19/12/2025 10:27

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 10:16

Actually plenty of people are saying all men are awful. In fact the title of the thread is why do men hate women. And every poster who has said its not the case that all men are awful have been jumped on by the man haters. I 100% agree that there is a huge disparity between the harm caused by men and that by women. But its absolutely true that MOST men are not awful and also plenty of women are awful too. And I have personally experienced both horrible men and horrible women. As well as great versions of both. The males in my life are good people.
And actually if you grouped any other group of people in the same way because a minority of them.were bad and implied tgat meant they wer ALL bad you'd rightly be called out on your prejudice.
That is NOT to suggest we dont have a problem with VAWAG. We obviously do. But its by a minority of men.

You haven’t grasped my point, what I am saying is there are women who have good relationships with the men in their lives who have no idea what these individual men are actually like because they are never around to see the full picture. It’s that aspect of male culture I don’t think women have to come terms with.

charcoalandsugar · 19/12/2025 10:29

Two thousand women lives were cut short by violent, controlling, angry, sadistic, sick and/or predatory men.

"one killed in the UK, on average, every three days.

Men as a sex class are a problem for women.

WaldoPablo · 19/12/2025 10:50

So sorry OP. A couple of weeks ago I was standing on a station platform waiting for my train and holding an unopened M&S snack pot in my hand. Out of nowhere a man (in his 20s) came up really close to me and started oinking at me really nastily and then laughing. It was shocking and upsetting. Am I not allowed to be holding something to eat for my journey?! It bothered me a lot more than i thought it would. So sorry this happened to you. 💐

BreakfastClubBlues · 19/12/2025 11:01

That is NOT to suggest we dont have a problem with VAWAG. We obviously do. But its by a minority of men.

It would be lovely if that were true. But sadly the numbers are far too high for it to be so.

I get why it makes you feel better to believe it though.

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 11:02

charcoalandsugar · 19/12/2025 10:25

Every 3 seconds a domestic abuse incident is reported to police
How is that a minority?

1 in 4 women will be raped or assaulted by a man in their lifetime
How is that a minority?

Women change their behaviour because they fear male violence
How is that a minority?

79800 women across England and Wales are raped or sexually assaulted every year
5 in 6 women who are raped don’t report it to the police
How is that a minority?

94% of rape survivors are women

9 in 10 girls in schools, say sexist name-calling and being sent unwanted images of a sexual nature happens to them or their peers.
How is that a minority?

Literally every single thing you've said there is terrible. But it doesnt back up your theory that its most (or indeed all!) men doing these horrible things. Half the people on the planet are male. The fact that it happens all the time does not mean that most of those half the people are doing it.

charcoalandsugar · 19/12/2025 11:04

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 11:02

Literally every single thing you've said there is terrible. But it doesnt back up your theory that its most (or indeed all!) men doing these horrible things. Half the people on the planet are male. The fact that it happens all the time does not mean that most of those half the people are doing it.

I have never said it’s all men.

I have repeatedly said men as a sex class……..

Maybe you can back up your suggestion that it’s a minority. I don’t believe its a minority due to the stats and sheer volume of numbers of murders and assaults on women.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 19/12/2025 11:07

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 11:02

Literally every single thing you've said there is terrible. But it doesnt back up your theory that its most (or indeed all!) men doing these horrible things. Half the people on the planet are male. The fact that it happens all the time does not mean that most of those half the people are doing it.

I think most men are misogynists to some degree. Whether it’s your catcalling arse slapping ‘women belong in the kitchen’ sexist, or your left wing man who is ‘down with feminism 100%’ but ‘doesn’t understand why women are so mean to trans people, be kind’.

5128gap · 19/12/2025 11:07

Sexentric · 19/12/2025 10:16

Actually plenty of people are saying all men are awful. In fact the title of the thread is why do men hate women. And every poster who has said its not the case that all men are awful have been jumped on by the man haters. I 100% agree that there is a huge disparity between the harm caused by men and that by women. But its absolutely true that MOST men are not awful and also plenty of women are awful too. And I have personally experienced both horrible men and horrible women. As well as great versions of both. The males in my life are good people.
And actually if you grouped any other group of people in the same way because a minority of them.were bad and implied tgat meant they wer ALL bad you'd rightly be called out on your prejudice.
That is NOT to suggest we dont have a problem with VAWAG. We obviously do. But its by a minority of men.

The men in my life are good people too as far as I'm aware.
I talked about the thread last night to one of them (my adult son) I read him the OP and asked him what he thought. His immediate response was to say it was awful and tell me about some of the things he had seen men do and that had happened to my DDil. He expressed concern for the world his own DD was growing up in.
What he didn't do, despite me reading the OP out, was inform me HE wasn't like that and it's really unfair that the OP didn't say SOME men. Because, being a decent man, his takeaway was not to centre himself and other good men in a conversation about bad ones.
If my 20 something son can see this and not feel the need to be defensive, I genuinely can't understand why women reading this post from a woman feel compelled to defend men. If they are decent I'm sure they'd prefer you to empathise with the OP.

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 19/12/2025 11:08

Sahara123 · 18/12/2025 17:28

It’s definitely not all men, the men in my life wouldn’t dream of doing something like that. But I don’t agree it’s just men, I’ve heard women being horrendously bitchy to other women.

Ah - all women like to believe this, that the men in their life are an exception. Occasionally it’s true; frequently, it’s not.

TheAverageJoanne · 19/12/2025 11:09

GreenCandleWax · 18/12/2025 17:28

In a word or two - because they can. They are insecure little people who are threatened by women's huge advances in the last 50 years or more, which has changed the gender role landscape completely. Whereas once before, such men could patronise women who did not threaten their superior and favoured status, eg. by being polite and "chivalrous", now those same men's grandsons resort to crude power play. To put a woman down is a temporary crutch to their crumbling egos. Just pathetic power play.
I am sorry you suffered this OP, there is no excuse for their loutish sexist behaviour. They are sad little people who bolster themselves this way. Don't let them take any more of your time and headspace. Treat yourself to something nice. Flowers

These twats have little power though because the women they think they deserve wouldn't go near them.

TheaBrandt1 · 19/12/2025 11:13

It’s systemic. Obviously many individual men are lovely but too many are clearly emboldened by our culture to behave hideously to strange women in public. It’s undeniable. You men defenders don’t have a leg to stand on. Wish you were right. Sadly you’re not.

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