Liverpool attacker sentenced

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Paul Doyle, the Liverpool parade attacker, has been sentenced to twenty one years and six months in prison for his attack that injured 134 people.

That’s 258 months, or less than two months per person injured. He’ll be out in half, so 129 months served. Less than one month per person. Reading the victim impact statements was awful. One from a little boy, who is completely traumatised, stuck with me.

AIBU to think this is a farce?!

Along with his past convictions too.

Ironically, some of the frothing rage & hatred in this thread seems to me to bear a considerable resemblance to the frothing rage and hatred that inspired this man’s crime. Same dark source; different outlet.

Rage and hatred are always evils, & indulging in them - and trying to stir up others to do so too - is deplorable.

Moving on, I thought the sentence was a decent one, but that it should have included a lifetime driving ban. But then, I think anyone who causes death or serious injury by careless or dangerous driving, or who is convicted of drunk driving, should face a lifetime driving ban. Unfortunately the legal system in this country does not reflect that philosophy.

Well, if the rape victims are also the family members of the rapists, they won’t get any sympathy from this poster who clearly thinks they’re to blame

I find OP’s comments rather worrying regarding Doyle’s family. Seems like the sort of person who would seek out the family and harass them. Perhaps we have a duty to report you to the authorities, op?

I thought Doyle’s sentence was fair. Years ago I knew someone who was murdered in an unprovoked attack. The person he was with also suffered life changing injuries. The offender got 9 years. And served a concurrent sentence for the attempted murder. He didn’t serve his full sentence.

The judge discounted his past convictions in the sentencing, deeming them irrelevant as so old and he'd lived a blameless life since.

There are an awful lot of people commenting here (including OP) who seem very invested, but haven't taken the time to read what the judge actually said.

A genuine question, asked because I'm interested in the answer and not to antagonise anyone: what is the difference between "hiding your evil and rage" and controlling your anger so that you behave more acceptably in society and get your life on track?

I've wondered in the past whether I'm really a good person or just really good at pretending to be because I want people to think I am. If you successfully faked being a good person throughout your life, in public and in private, then what's the difference between that and actually being a good person, and does it even matter to anyone but you?

This is why sentences are done by legal experts with years of experience who listen to all the evidence

and not baying lynch mobs.

Oh I agree, he did.

It does not take much to enrage a jerk in an SUV in a hurry.

There'll be loads of papers written about that and podcasts discussing it. It's such a big question about the fundamentals of humanity.

It was a people carrier, a Ford Galaxy, one of the most boring cars known to man 🤣

I mean, it doesn't really make any difference, but why are people making things up?

Yes, even with much lesser crimes, I think most of us abstain more for fear of getting caught/ the shame of it all, than becuase we really can't bear to do wrong.

I think CPS and his lawyers came to an agreement that if he pleaded guilty to ABH etc they would prosecute the lower charge because their priority was to get him put away quickly at at the lower costs of a quick trial?

He was pleading not guilty right up until the moment everyone was in court and trial proceedings were about to begin. If you had read the reporting at the time, you'd know that the last minute change of plea was a complete surprise to everyone. They were all expecting to proceed with the trial.

An early guilty plea is one of the factors which a judge can consider when passing sentence. It didn't apply here.

Wonder if you're so incensed about the Bondi beach murderers. You know, the scum who actually killed people. Or maybe the Manchester thugs who broke a policecwoman's nose. Why am I sensing some bias here. Selective outrage.

I suspect he has used the Internet as an outlet for his anger and rage over the last 30 years, probably a few instances of road rage that had gone unreported,, he has likely been lucky up until this point.

He is a very very angry man.

It’s a huge sentence and rightly deserved too. Stop reading the Daily Mail OP.

He got 21 years and 6 months for each of the GBH counts. It’s that we have concurrent sentences here as opposed to the stupid way they do it in America where they get 300 year sentences etc

Actually I think the OP has the right to be upset about this. There were over 130 people injured. It's the fact that they are blaming his wife that I'm not on board with.

I'm Scottish and I still remember where I was the day the Dunblane shooting happened.

Any atrocity upsets me tbh

Wonder if he'd have liked it if someone did the same to him knocked him down.

Vile tempered Cuss.
How on earth can a person on this planet do that to other people who have done nothing to.him at all. Totally innocent enjoying their day.
Makes you wonder what he would do if someone really annoyed him.

I thought it was a lot. People who have caused death by drunk or dangerous driving have had much lower sentences

I suspect there are many things that have gone under the radar in the last few decades.

I also doubt was he really all sweetness and gentle at home. None of us know what went on in that house. But I suspect his wife might have breathed a sigh of relief at the sentence.

I think so. I really do wonder what he was like behind closed doors.

Its a miracle he never killed someone that day.
And the guy who got in the car to put it into neutral deserves a medal 🏅. He saved life's that day.

This is such a strange take. People don’t tend to be outraged at absolutely everything (past and present) simultaneously. Would you go onto a thread about the bondi beach shootings and ask why people are being selective with their outrage and aren’t also fuming about the bloke in Liverpool who mowed down over a hundred people?

Ah I see - basically like what Americans call a plea deal I think.

Well at least it wasn’t one of those pathetic 18 months sentences or something.

I don’t know if the behaviour has to be exemplary as such - but maybe they just have to not exhibited terrible behaviour?

It will be in interesting to see how someone like this copes with imprisonment.