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Liverpool attacker sentenced

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ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 18:48

Paul Doyle, the Liverpool parade attacker, has been sentenced to twenty one years and six months in prison for his attack that injured 134 people.

That’s 258 months, or less than two months per person injured. He’ll be out in half, so 129 months served. Less than one month per person. Reading the victim impact statements was awful. One from a little boy, who is completely traumatised, stuck with me.

AIBU to think this is a farce?!

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ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:02

Talltreesbythelake · 16/12/2025 19:00

You are reacting with your anger. While it is useful to feel righteous anger, it doesn't serve justice. We have a long legal tradition in this country that aims to balance both sides. If you are not satisfied that this man has ruined his own life and that of his wife and children, then you can write to appeal the sentence. In fact, you don't even have to bother because I am sure someone else will. But carry on frothing, no one on here can change the sentence.

I care very little about his family, who will have looked past his clear anger issues for years. I care a lot more about the innocent men, women and children who were at the parade and who have been traumatised for life. Why aren’t you more angry about yet another act of male violence being excused and played down?

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Livelovelaughfuckoff · 16/12/2025 19:02

I don’t see the point in measuring as months per person to be honest. I think the sentence is appropriate.

How long do you think he should have got?

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 16/12/2025 19:05

Zanatdy · 16/12/2025 18:56

I thought it was quite a stiff sentence as no-one was killed given the poor sentencing we see in the UK.

I thought this as well.

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:05

What do we think is the purpose of a prison sentence? I think that's what were all confused about in our own minds.

Is it rehabilitation? Although he has previous convictions for violence, they're 30 years ago, so he did manage to get his life on track, and there were multiple character references, who had nothing to gain/lose, to that affect.

Is it to protect the public? The liklihood of him doing the same thing again must be vanishingly small?

Is it straightforward punishment or vengeance? In which case it's a very expensive way to do it.

I don't know what happened. It does sound like it was straightforward rage, for a man who'd managed to keep that part of himself hidden for 30 years, and who doesn't appear to have put forward any reason for his rage on that day. I'm still baffled by it and I'm not sure what the alternative is, but 21 years in prison seems a very extravagant use of taxpayers' money to me.

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:06

Livelovelaughfuckoff · 16/12/2025 19:02

I don’t see the point in measuring as months per person to be honest. I think the sentence is appropriate.

How long do you think he should have got?

At least six months per person he injured, seeing as they will have to live with the impact of what he did for the rest of his life? It’s to break down how utterly pathetic the sentence is. Reading the impact statements really breaks down how utterly evil what he did was.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg1vj69g0yo?app-referrer=deep-link

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dapsnotplimsolls · 16/12/2025 19:06

I was surprised at how long the sentence was considering nobody was killed.

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:07

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:05

What do we think is the purpose of a prison sentence? I think that's what were all confused about in our own minds.

Is it rehabilitation? Although he has previous convictions for violence, they're 30 years ago, so he did manage to get his life on track, and there were multiple character references, who had nothing to gain/lose, to that affect.

Is it to protect the public? The liklihood of him doing the same thing again must be vanishingly small?

Is it straightforward punishment or vengeance? In which case it's a very expensive way to do it.

I don't know what happened. It does sound like it was straightforward rage, for a man who'd managed to keep that part of himself hidden for 30 years, and who doesn't appear to have put forward any reason for his rage on that day. I'm still baffled by it and I'm not sure what the alternative is, but 21 years in prison seems a very extravagant use of taxpayers' money to me.

Did he manage to get his life on track? Or did he just become better at hiding his evil and rage?

You cannot rehabilitate someone like this.

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Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:07

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:02

I care very little about his family, who will have looked past his clear anger issues for years. I care a lot more about the innocent men, women and children who were at the parade and who have been traumatised for life. Why aren’t you more angry about yet another act of male violence being excused and played down?

He had multiple character references from many parts of his life to say that wasn't the case at all. Don't be blaming his wife fgs!

Obviously on this day day his temper was a big problem, but there's absolutely nothing to suggest it had been for the previous 30 years.

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:09

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:07

Did he manage to get his life on track? Or did he just become better at hiding his evil and rage?

You cannot rehabilitate someone like this.

He was able to manage it to the extent that multiple people who knew him from many different parts of his life were prepared to stand as character references for him. People like colleagues and clients, people from his volunteering and sporting roles with children, people who had nothing to gain from lying for him.

UncannyFanny · 16/12/2025 19:09

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 18:53

“decent”?! He attacked a crowded parade in sheer rage. Children have had their lives ruined through trauma. He hit babies. He’ll be 68 by the time he gets out. Just young enough to enjoy a nice long retirement. It’s disgusting.

Do some research on how sentences are decided. Many different things are taken into account including how long the law actually allows a judge to imprison someone in relation to a specific crime. There’s a reason members of the public are not judges.

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:11

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:07

Did he manage to get his life on track? Or did he just become better at hiding his evil and rage?

You cannot rehabilitate someone like this.

I didn't suggest you can. I was asking what the purpose of the sentence is.

WhereIsItPlease · 16/12/2025 19:11

It’s irrelevant to the sentencing and I agree it’s lenient, but did he really do it because he was irritated?

ViciousCurrentBun · 16/12/2025 19:13

He had already been in prison when young for biting off someone’s ear in a fight. I do wonder if his wife knew he had been jailed for this when she started dating him I know someone who dates a guy who was in prison when young for putting someone in a wheelchair for life, she knew when she started dating him. I will be surprised if he ever leads any kind of normal life again even if let out.

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:13

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:09

He was able to manage it to the extent that multiple people who knew him from many different parts of his life were prepared to stand as character references for him. People like colleagues and clients, people from his volunteering and sporting roles with children, people who had nothing to gain from lying for him.

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So his mates (probably also violent too) defended him.

I wonder if the response would be this way if he had attacked an affluent area of London, as opposed to Liverpool.

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Daytimetellyqueen · 16/12/2025 19:14

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 18:54

Pure rage. He tried to say he panicked but that was soon proven wrong by his dashcam footage.

Pure rage for what though? Liverpool fans? People celebrating? I genuinely don’t understand.

HappyNewTaxYear · 16/12/2025 19:14

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:09

He was able to manage it to the extent that multiple people who knew him from many different parts of his life were prepared to stand as character references for him. People like colleagues and clients, people from his volunteering and sporting roles with children, people who had nothing to gain from lying for him.

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I bet the wife could tell a different story. Poor woman.

thisfilmisboring123 · 16/12/2025 19:15

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:13

So his mates (probably also violent too) defended him.

I wonder if the response would be this way if he had attacked an affluent area of London, as opposed to Liverpool.

As above I thought it was a ‘decent’ sentence and I’m from Liverpool.

LadyKenya · 16/12/2025 19:15

Ebok1990 · 16/12/2025 18:57

I was confounded that he'd be able to drive again. Banned for an additional 3 years after his sentence ends. He'll be knocking on a bit by then but it doesn't seem right that he can be trusted behind the wheel again.

This is outrageous. I take it he will have to have refresher lessons, after not driving for xyz years! One would hope so, anyway. The fact that it might be possible for him to drive again, is just unbelievable.

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:15

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:13

So his mates (probably also violent too) defended him.

I wonder if the response would be this way if he had attacked an affluent area of London, as opposed to Liverpool.

Have you read any of the transcript or just thre headlines?. It really wasn't just his mates, that's what was striking about it.

LadyKenya · 16/12/2025 19:16

HappyNewTaxYear · 16/12/2025 19:14

I bet the wife could tell a different story. Poor woman.

Time will tell, if she stands by him.

VikaOlson · 16/12/2025 19:17

Daytimetellyqueen · 16/12/2025 19:14

Pure rage for what though? Liverpool fans? People celebrating? I genuinely don’t understand.

That there were people blocking the road he wanted to drive down!
He was saying things like fucking pricks, this is a road, get out the way.
He just wanted to drive down the road and was enraged that people got in his way.

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:17

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:15

Have you read any of the transcript or just thre headlines?. It really wasn't just his mates, that's what was striking about it.

I’ve read enough to know this vile, evil man attacked one of the largest cities in the UK and a lot of people seem to think it was perfectly okay

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ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:18

VikaOlson · 16/12/2025 19:17

That there were people blocking the road he wanted to drive down!
He was saying things like fucking pricks, this is a road, get out the way.
He just wanted to drive down the road and was enraged that people got in his way.

“He just wanted to drive down the road”

Bollocks. Utter bollocks. Anyone with half a brain cell knew what was happening that day. Even more so in the city of Liverpool. It was covered on the main news!

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/12/2025 19:18

Flowerslamp · 16/12/2025 19:09

He was able to manage it to the extent that multiple people who knew him from many different parts of his life were prepared to stand as character references for him. People like colleagues and clients, people from his volunteering and sporting roles with children, people who had nothing to gain from lying for him.

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I'd wonder whether this 'Pillar of the Community' and 'All Round Top Bloke' was still a vicious fucking bastard behind closed doors, tbh.

thisfilmisboring123 · 16/12/2025 19:18

ireallycantbelievethis · 16/12/2025 19:17

I’ve read enough to know this vile, evil man attacked one of the largest cities in the UK and a lot of people seem to think it was perfectly okay

Oh ffs
Who has said remotely anything like this?