Liverpool attacker sentenced

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Paul Doyle, the Liverpool parade attacker, has been sentenced to twenty one years and six months in prison for his attack that injured 134 people.

That’s 258 months, or less than two months per person injured. He’ll be out in half, so 129 months served. Less than one month per person. Reading the victim impact statements was awful. One from a little boy, who is completely traumatised, stuck with me.

AIBU to think this is a farce?!

He looked pretty miserable, if the drawing of him in the box is anything to go by. So I don't think he thought he had got off lightly.

Wth? And people are saying he had
no known anger issues. Yikes.

@ireallycantbelievethis I think it’s inadequate too, not saying it’s the judges fault but the sentencing guidelines are too lax in Europe.

IMO what he did was effectively attempted murder (Even if that wasn’t proven legally) . It’s a miracle no one died, he used a car as a weapon during a parade ffs.

And they are failing learner drivers for driving too slow in a 30 MPH street or not carrying out maneouvres correctly while
this POS may get a license again.

Spot on. I can just imagine the rage and the riots.

Seriously? Not surprising but still shocking. I can imagine many even deleted posts and tweets etc when it turned out he wasn’t Muslim.

I saw this with the disgusting man who killed his girlfriend and her mum and sister. He had what some might call “dark features” so there was a debate over his background with many angry men on Twitter rushing to say he was a “scummy foreigner”. I checked back on a few of these same accounts when it came out he was definitely just a white English bloke with dark hair and eyes, and they had gone mysteriously silent.

Suddenly the death of these women wasn’t so infuriating and awful . I wonder why.

Shame on the media for this too. They usually only ever try to humanise these kind of people and show the “good side” when they’re white males.

I studied media as part of my masters and there’s actually studies on this regarding biased media coverage.

Common or garden "road rage" I imagine. The sense of entitlement of "I am in a car, I own the road, how dare anyone inconvenience me"

I think that is just about it, there are sometimes reports in the news about people with road rage attacking people, it just happed with him that there was crowds of people instead of the usual one they attack.

I was surprised it was as long as 21 years given that he didn't kill anybody. It is the correct sentence but killers should get much longer sentences, life meaning life and it should be solitary confinement.

Why the hell do you think it's acceptable to blame his family. They haven't done anything wrong. The dash cam footage even showed when he was in the car with someone else he drove normally with no signs of anger and only changed when he was alone. Even if his wife saw flashes of anger, she had no way of knowing what was going to happen, no one did.
The BBC are not defending him, they are merely saying he was a family man, which he was he had a family and are printing reports from neighbours and friend who had no idea about his past, saying he seemed like a good guy, nice neighbour etc. That's all fact he had seemed liked that.
His wife may not have known about his past, even if she did he was in his early 20's and she may have thought it's in the past and something he did when he was young and stupid.
There is only one person to blame and that is the man himself.
His poor wife now has to raise 3 kids alone while navigating all this, god knows how his kids are feeling and if they are getting grief at school etc. Remember their lives have been ruined too. They have to pick up the pieces and rebuild their lives, they may even have to move to avoid people like you who are blaming them.

And all you have to do is research how sentences are determined under UK law and how long the maximum term is that the law allows a judge to jail someone for each specific crime. But you won’t. Instead you’ll just carry on wailing about how it’s disgusting! It’s not enough! It shouldn’t be allowed! They should throw the key away! He should have got 90 years!

Finally. Someone who actually understands the law.

Trying to link this to a football team is crass. I'm old enough to remember Hillsborough.

I remember the mile of scarves. That was organised by fans of both clubs. I remember seeing on TV and in newspapers Everton scarves amongst the red on the pitch.

This was an angry man hell bent on doing something destructive and had nothing to do with football.

How come the people shouting "kill him" in the videos are not charged, and yet that crazy woman spouting off on the internet about burning down asylums gets the book thrown at her?

I agree with you OP, hopefully his anger issues will surface in jail and the extra time will be added on

Do you also agree with blaming his wife?

It's a negligent one.

The police must have got to Doyle fairly quickly after he was dragged out of his car by the crowd - I haven't found any reports on that bit of the timeline but he only seemed to have minor cuts and bruises in his mugshot.

The violent past and then 30 years of seemingly being reformed and able to control himself are fascinating, and I wonder what the trigger was to undo 30 years of self-control (in public). And I also wonder what he was like behind closed doors all these years.

Him being a fan of the Tate/Farage/Musk trifecta, with a hefty dose of crypto-bro nonsense in there too? Who could have possibly called that!

I think it was attempted murder too - but the bar for proving that in the UK courts is very high and a trial would have been long drawn out with the risk of him not being found guilty. I think CPS and his lawyers came to an agreement that if he pleaded guilty to ABH etc they would prosecute the lower charge because their priority was to get him put away quickly at at the lower costs of a quick trial?

I am hoping that he may have to serve his full sentence, possibly because he’ll crack at some point in prison and have a rage outburst. I think they only reduce the time served for exemplary behaviour?

I just thank the heavens that you're not a judge. Are you in favour of hanging by any chance?

Would you be so irate if it was a woman? After all, it's not exactly typical male violence is it?

Your OP is hyperbolic - many sentences are served concurrently not consecutively, so your per person evaluation is pointless.

"He’ll be 68 by the time he gets out. Just young enough to enjoy a nice long retirement. It’s disgusting."

He will spend the majority of the healthy adult life he has left, in prison. I can't see his marriage lasting and his kids will be adults when he gets out.
I think the sentence is reasonable.

What’s your connection with this case OP? I’m assuming you have family and friends directly affected. If so, I’m sorry this has happened to them.

But you are behaving quite irrationally on this thread and lashing out of people who don’t deserve it. maybe you need some help with your own anger.

I'd question the assumption that he will be able to drive after he comes out of prison. I doubt whether anyone will be prepared to insure him.

Good thing you aren’t a judge op. He did something terrible and he’s paying a high price. No one is excusing it.

You don’t know that’s he’s a violent
man at home, you don’t know that his violent mates gave character witness.
it’s not classism
Hes paying for his crime, now time to move on.

People directly effected can get help and don’t need to be traumatised for life

Agree with this except the last sentence. It’s not a sure thing that those affected can just “get help” and feel better.

My family member impacted by something similar was a child at the time and has been diagnosed with PTSD and an anxiety disorder. They have undergone various forms of therapy. They still have nightmares and deal with the fall out from their physical injuries. They missed a lot of school and became withdrawn from their peers, not wanting to socialise. It impacted pretty much every part of their life and that will continue to have a knock on effect.

It’s not just them either, it’s their mother who took a call from a stranger to tell her that her child had been hit by a car and they weren’t conscious (alongside many others) and the people who witnessed it and rushed to help.

The scale of Paul Doyle’s actions is far reaching and while professional help can improve things for most people, it doesn’t mean that they won’t be traumatised for life.

There were 124 people injured as a result of his actions

He admitted to 31 charges - that will clearly be the reason for the long sentence.