Liverpool attacker sentenced

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Paul Doyle, the Liverpool parade attacker, has been sentenced to twenty one years and six months in prison for his attack that injured 134 people.

That’s 258 months, or less than two months per person injured. He’ll be out in half, so 129 months served. Less than one month per person. Reading the victim impact statements was awful. One from a little boy, who is completely traumatised, stuck with me.

AIBU to think this is a farce?!

Angry violent men do not need much motivation to be tipped over into these things.
They kill women all the time.
They batter women all the time.
They kill other men all the time.
They don't need excuses and they don't need your understanding.
It is naive to believe these men don't exist.
He is one of many violent, angry, nasty men in this world that couldn't control his rage and that's the bottom line.

Agreed.

I think a lot of that PTSD stuff was parroted around by people defending him when it first happened, and now by idiots who haven't read or have ignored the full details of the case.

How exactly should she have spoken out? Should she have walked into a police station and said "Excuse me officers, but my intuition is telling me my husband is going to ram a car into a load of pedestrians. No I don't have any evidence, you'll just have to take my word for it."? Honestly you trying to insinuate that his wife is somehow responsible is completely and utterly nuts.

Really nasty

Wilson was talking absolute twoddle on that podcast. His 'explanation' barely stacked up a few days ago when he was on the podcast, and it dissolves to nothing based on what we now know from the sentencing remarks.

a life time ban on driving is very rare - but has been issued in some rare cases

And that depends on good behaviour and remorse.

If he's as violent and as volatile as the news suggests, he may be in a lot longer.

I feel desperately sorry for his wife and children. His previous prison sentence may have been long before they even met and she might not have even known about it until it emerged in court. Can you imagine the devastation this has caused in their lives, they'll never be the same.
I can't believe people are still trying to hold women accountable for their husband's crimes, this was his fault and no-one else's.

He wasn't scared or panicking though, he was angry at all these people being in his way. He was shouting about fucking pricks being in the road even as he was hitting a pram.

Well you've just made that up.

He had a history of violence going back to his teenage years. He had a criminal record and was thrown out of the forces for assault. He went to prison for GBH. Did he just panic all of those other times too or what?

Dashcam footage shown in court depicts him in a rage from before he even got to the parade. Driving through red lights and nearly knocking over pedestrians. When he got to the parade the footage shows him shouting and swearing at fans, calling little kids "fucking dickheads" before ploughing into them. He was not "panicked" in the slightest.

He was clearly an angry violent man and these types of men will fly into a rage over nothing. His fellow soldiers testified that he would flip at people and get into fights over nothing to the point where they wanted to distance themselves from him. He was thrown out of the forces for biting a man's ear off.

But sure keep defending him and saying that he "panicked" despite all of the evidence suggesting otherwise and it being proven in court that he was raging and not panicked at all.

Does it matter? He's in prison for many years and after that? Well if he ever wanted to do something like this again, a driving ban is hardly likely to stop him.

Do you have a link?

Next time it’ll matter if he kills and sadly reoffending isn’t uncommon

No one needs my excuses but I do want to understand. Unfortunately I actually think you are right. There are too many men who can't control their rage. But why? And what can be done to help them? Is there anything? I know this isn't what the thread is about and I dojt want to derail it but it just makes me wonder. And I have a little son. He's just 4 and obviously lovely but I do think a lot about what I can do so that he doesn't become one of these raging violent and entitled men that cause so.much hurt and damage to themselves and others.

ITV have posted this article, they are rightly being criticised and hiding replies.

All you have to do is watch the news tonight to see why 21 years was nowhere near enough for this “family man”

I did think he'd get 20-odd years. Of course it transpired today of his violent past on more than one occasion and a year in prison for biting someone's ear off, and that he never seen "active service" in his short time in the Forces and had to leave, dishonourably.

Sad that he managed to turn his life around, lead a normal family life, only to lose his temper in public on this day. I guess a leopard never changes his spots.

I do feel for his wife and children, I don't know how old they are but likely to miss them growing up and obviously family life. And I can imagine his family have had to move away.

Most sympathy is for the victims though, many harrowing victim impact statements read out in Court.

Yes. I highly doubt that he just randomly snapped one day and decided to do this. He would have displayed dangerous behaviour behind the wheel multiple times.

Not sure when you realised you were psychic, but I wouldn’t change careers

Not sure why you’re defending a murderous man and his family? Utterly weird behaviour

I’m not defending anyone, I’m just choosing not to decide I know everything about everything.

He did a horrific and unforgivable thing and received a commensurate sentence for it.

You’ve decided, without any information whatsoever, that his wife is to blame, his children are to blame, he’s displayed violent and angry behaviour in the last 20 years and that his character witnesses are all lying….

You are, in fact, the one displaying utterly weird behaviour.

I’m a bit behind on the court stuff. I was only half listening but it was the stuff about control that stuck with me.
There is obviously some disconnection between his brain and what he was doing as there is no way you are getting away with that.

I used to live in Liverpool and no way would I have driven down into town in the first place, insane decision, when you can meet further up towards the uni.

You don't know this. His wife isn't the issue here. He is. His children aren't the issue here either. We have no idea what kind of life his wife had with him - what was she supposed to do - walk into a police station and say I think my husband might harm people one day?

You're blaming his wife for something he did - and that's a really poor look
Because she didn't stop him? She's not responsible for his actions

On any level

Huh? What have I made up? My conjecture? Isn't that always made up? By definition? I'm not defending him. I don't think wanting to understand is the same as defending someone. I'm not really in the business of defending anyone. Im neither a lawyer nor a personal friend or relative. Neither am I in the business of condemning anyone. I just dont see the point of saying that some men are just shits and that's it and we just have to live with it. I mean obviously a lot of men are shits but why? And if they have an inherent tendency to violent and entitled behaviour (which i think they do) what can be done to mitigate that?

(Back on point: I didn't realise he was already showing rage and erratic behaviour before he got to the parade. So probably he didn't find himself stuck there by accident and panicking as a result.)

Yes, but I'm not sure why your opinion is any more reliable than anyone else's in this case.

If that were true I would have expected him to have previous convictions for dangerous driving. His prior convictions were mentioned at today's sentencing heating but not a single one involved vehicles of any description. So no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anyone could have predicted this.

For what it's worth I obviously think he is scum and deserves to be locked up but this idea that his wife is somehow culpable is absolutely ridiculous.