Liverpool attacker sentenced

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Paul Doyle, the Liverpool parade attacker, has been sentenced to twenty one years and six months in prison for his attack that injured 134 people.

That’s 258 months, or less than two months per person injured. He’ll be out in half, so 129 months served. Less than one month per person. Reading the victim impact statements was awful. One from a little boy, who is completely traumatised, stuck with me.

AIBU to think this is a farce?!

I thought the sentence was reasonable. No time will be enough for the family.

I have a close family member who was involved in a similar thing (group of people driven into where no one died but serious injuries/long lasting psychological trauma) and the driver got 5 years. No sentence would have been enough but I recognise that there are sentencing guidelines in place and we need a structure around proportionate sentencing.

Your anger/distain towards the wife and kids is misplaced but is relatable for me. I couldn’t stand hearing about how devastated the driver’s family were. They were negatively impacted of course, and must have been sad, but they weren’t the true victims of it.

I barely know where to start but just to be absolutely clear, judges do not just make up whatever they feel like.

The Bbc footage is completely horrific. At one point he slows down then carries on and drives into the crowd. My god. Can you imagine how terrifying it was for people caught up in it

No they weren't but there have been posts on here suggesting the wife is responsible

They absolutely don't

It sounds like he was in an uncontrollable rage, and he had form for having a short temper and violent outbursts. Perhaps he’d been able to keep it under control fo a long time but if that’s the way you’re wired you probably can’t keep it under control forever. I think the sentence is about right.

As an aside I once got stuck in my car on a road outside a football stadium just as the fans started coming out, the road was suddenly filled with people banging on the car and shouting, it was terrifying, I shut the engine off and waited for them to all pass. It sounds like he was already in a rage an couldn’t control himself.

It is a wonder people weren't killed

It's gross that you're saying this man is basically a violent psychopath and that his family MUST have known, and then also blaming them for his crime. How could they psychically have known he was going to commit this crime and go to the police in advance?! You're being absolutely ridiculous and melodramatic. If he is as evil as you keep insisting then his family were probably terrified of him and his biggest victims!

You're being weirdly aggressive to posters on this thread.

I think the sentence is is adequate.

The judges are obliged to follow the Sentencing Guidelines, which are freely accessible online, if you can be bothered to search for them

Absolutely, my lovely neighbour is a student and was working in a bar on the same road, the first she knew of it was the screaming coming from outside.
She ran out and was convinced she was witnessing a terrorist attack, she said there were people scattered all over the floor. The poor buggers who were actually involved will probably be traumatised for years to come. The fact that this seems to just have been all down to uncontrolled rage is just mindboggling.

At first when I read about the altercation on Dale Street I did wonder if crowd issues had wound him up or scared ( not that would be an excuse but might be a context). However the court evidence is clear, he was the sole agressor on Dale Street, then chose not to follow the two routes for cars, and deliberately went down water Street, a pedestrian route. Crucially he seems solely responsible

Name one person who thinks what he did was perfectly okay.

Even if his wife had noticed his rage issues, what was she meant to do? Go to the police (who barely bother to turn up to reports of actual crimes these days), and insist that they should intervene because her husband hadn't done anything but might at some point?!

Or get him mental health support to learn to manage his rage issues? Obviously the UK is a country with a crumbling health system and almost zero adequate mental health support available for the majority of the population. Perhaps if he had been able to access MH support he could have been able to learn to deal with rage episodes. So many crimes recently committed by people who are in absolutely desperate need to the MH support and intervention that is basically impossible to access in the UK.

There is NO justification whatsoever for you to blame his wife or family. Women are never responsible for the violence of men. HTH.

That has been completely disproven in court from his own dashcam footage.

The crowd were smashing his windows etc AFTER he'd already driven into people in an attempt to stop him. Which again was proven in court.

Can you also channel that anger toward the puny sentences for rapists please - while you’re at it. The victims relive their ordeal for the rest of their lives. Someone invading their body and trying to degrade them. Please save some of your anger for these type of offenders who sometimes get a bare slap on the wrist - if that.

No shit, Sherlock.

@BeardofHagrid luckily one member of the crowd managed to access the inside of the car to stop it. He risked getting run over to do that

Why assume he will automatically come out after two thirds of his sentence? He will have to satisfy a parole board that he is not dangerous, which means showing that he has his temper100% under control. Unless he undergoes very effective therapy he may find that very difficult in prison conditions.

I was referring to those who had heard about the incidents on Dale Street and might have thought the crowds were partly to blame
But you carry on being and arrogant idiot.

Ok, so OP had an agenda from the start. The whole north south, rich poor thing and to blame his wife.

@Roobarbtwo"blaming"? I'm in no way blaming his wife or family. Where did I say that? I'm saying I bet he took his rage out on them too.

Well that’s thanks to Grace of God that he didn’t kill anyone. It’s certainly no thanks to Paul Doyle that there were no fatalities.

Why tell lies to defend violent men?

I initially thought that. Then I found out that footage was after other footage where he had already mowed through part the crowd. They were trying to stop a man who was using his car as a lethal weapon. At that point the fans' violence was fully justified and proportionate.

A third off if good behaviour inside. Plus time already served on remand is counted as double and taken off what has been sentenced.