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To think a lot of MNetters do not understand what it’s like to parent a child who is not quelled by your anger

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andanotheryear · 15/12/2025 21:25

or quashed by a stern voice
or who cares if you get angry / furious / apoplectic
or who gives a damn about consequences because they live for the moment

aibu

(I’m not)

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BruachAbhann · 18/12/2025 12:33

NewUserName2244 · 18/12/2025 12:24

He sounds lovely, bright, fun and hard to parent - not unlike my youngest who also wants to be an inventor!

You may already be on this, but have you googled “retained primative reflexes”. The combination of poor handwriting, poor behaviour but extremely intelligent would tick all of the boxes for this…..

Oh, I haven't. Thanks a million. I'll look into this!
If I won the lotto I'd set up an all-boys school for boys like my son who have their own way of learning. I think the school system is just not geared for a certain type of boy.

NewUserName2244 · 18/12/2025 12:35

@BruachAbhann if you do let me know, my DC2 can be your first pupil!!!!

andanotheryear · 18/12/2025 12:54

See the whole ‘well we WON’T go to the park / party’ then just isn’t effective Confused because firstly, it just isn’t … it would make him angry and upset but he would still merrily appear at my shoulder the next day ‘mummy!’

Plus half the time that sort of stuff happens on the way back and then what do you do? Or I’m taking him to school or my own dentist appointment or the cat to the vet? That’s why I don’t really like the whole ‘we won’t go then’: a smart kid will use that to their advantage at your peril. Plus it punishes the other one and will really piss your friends off if they’ve paid for your child’s place at the party and you don’t go. It gives way too much power to the child and that’s not a good thing. It only works if you can guarantee they’ll only misbehave on the way to somewhere they want to go and that’s not life, is it?

To a large extent, it is just about keeping plodding on. Ds is getting better; he behaves at school, he has loads of friends, he’s bright, funny and gregarious, but compliant and easily cowed he isn’t!

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BertieBotts · 18/12/2025 18:04

@ReleaseTheDucksOfWar I don't mind, I only write stuff here I'm happy to share anyway.

@andanotheryear I did want to comment about the Explosive Child book but it was late last night and my post was already long. I actually find your reaction to it is fairly common - it's interesting because some people come to this book and find it absolutely life changing and brilliant as a philosophy, but I have also seen a lot of people post online that it was recommended to them but they read it and didn't find it any use at all. I have been wondering about what the difference is, and I think one part might be if it's the first thing you read which explains the idea that "bad behaviour" might be less of a choice and more of a sign that the child is struggling with something, then it probably is a life changing idea, but that idea is now much more well-known particularly in SEN type circles, so a lot of people if they are seeing the book recommended online have already come across it, and in that case it doesn't offer anything new there. What it does offer IME is a really great framework for coming up with outside of the box but actually useful solutions to consistent situations where you tend to clash, and a bit of a road map if you are following a very low-demand approach. But the way it's explained in the book is very verbal and so it's better suited to children who can engage in a conversation about things, which involves quite a few different skills which might not develop at the same rate, especially if the child has some kind of SEN. They have to be able to speak and comprehend speech, to recall a situation, to be able to imagine themselves going through that situation, to be able to do this and not be triggered instantly back into dysregulation, to be able to modify aspects of the hypothetical situation in their head and then imagine how it would be with those aspects changed, to be able to sustain attention to the same conversation for long enough to process all of these ideas. These are all pretty high level complex skills relating to language processing and executive functioning, and DS2 wouldn't be able to manage all of them together yet. Whereas DS1 absolutely would have been able to do this at 7 and we frequently had conversations like this, although I hadn't read the book so not identical. DS2's attention span is so shockingly poor that he can't actually manage to listen to a full page of being read a story.

Supposedly there are other ways to get the information which isn't a straightforward conversation, so it is something which could be helpful but I do think some of the concepts from it can be carried forwards anyway - the idea that children do well when they can, that if they are not doing well it's probably because something is getting in their way, and that our first assumptions about what is getting in their way are unlikely to be accurate and so it's more helpful to try to find out that information from the child before we suggest solutions, whether that is through conversation or through observation or other things.

Also that sometimes taking the pressure off and removing the expectation entirely is a helpful thing to do, whether it's a temporary measure while you figure out which parts if any of it they can meet or whether it's just a shift in perspective and you say actually, they don't need to [tie laces/do GCSEs/sleep through the night] because what they actually need is [shoes that don't fall off/some way to support themselves/for the adults to be able to sleep].

andanotheryear · 18/12/2025 19:17

@BertieBotts i actually found that part fairly helpful. But the conversations that the author imagined having with the struggling children … that lost me. It’s on my kindle and I have the app on my phone. But the sort of conversations I’ve screenshotted just wouldn’t happen here. Mostly my ds wanders off Hmm or totally changes the subject to something else!

I think ds is just so impulsive and his listening ‘skills’ are dire; he just seems to have this real ability to tune me out. I was really embarrassed on school pick up as he just went pelting off to our car; I can’t keep up (have younger child with me) and he goes out of sight, yes he’s fine but every other child is walking nicely with their parent, chatting. Then he does something stupid like on this occasion picking up an enormous branch and laying it across the pavement; there’s no malice there, he’s not trying to be annoying but it is, as people now have to step in the road so I have to move it (and he gets further away and is ignoring me telling him to come back and to move the tree branch.)

I know I’m going to get loads of solutions but that’s not what I’m after. Just … god knows 🤦🏻‍♀️

To think a lot of MNetters do not understand what it’s like to parent a child who is not quelled by your anger
To think a lot of MNetters do not understand what it’s like to parent a child who is not quelled by your anger
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BertieBotts · 18/12/2025 20:45

No I get it, DS2 is very much like that as well. DS1 used to do it to an extent but he wouldn't quite be so much on his own planet, he would just get into this very silly state where he wouldn't know where to stop and would seem to want to wind me up. Someone many years ago on MN explained to me the term dysregulation, which is exactly what it is when they are doing that, for DS2 he gets into a dysregulated state when everything builds up to be too much - this would be things like hunger and needing the toilet (which he doesn't recognise on his own) and sensory overload but also boredom and things being unexpected/not being able to predict what happens next, and being asked to do something that he doesn't want to do/doesn't understand/doesn't see the sense in, and emotions (frustration, surprise, embarrassment, disappointment, excitement). All of these things could contribute in small ways and build up to a point where he just almost dissociates and goes off into his own little world and if you try to talk to him, his responses won't make any sense or won't bear any resemblance to what you're saying. And if you push back more or if he's doing something unacceptable in the course of his being on his own planet, like singing so loudly nobody else can hear themselves think, then it seems to activate a destructive urge that will override common sense and anything else.

When he's in that kind of state there is no sense in trying to talk to him and what I would do ideally is steer him in the direction of home as quickly as possible. If I could take care of the branch while keeping both children safe then I would do it myself, but if I couldn't then I would have to just leave it and possibly shout an apology back to the people behind us. I have stopped bothering to do the performative asking him to pick it up because I know other parents would expect me to do that and consider me lax or selfish for leaving it behind, because there is literally no point - he will not do it, asking him to do it will just delight the imp of destruction that lives on his shoulder in moments like this and drawing attention to things like having left a branch in the middle of the pavement will escalate everything and possibly make it more likely that the imp will choose something like that the next time he goes into this mode. Ignoring and pretending not to be at all surprised or bothered about it is more likely to mean he will not choose it next time.

If going home is not an option, then I would instead try to steer him to a calmer/quieter place where I can hopefully offer him some kind of food/drink/clothing adjustment and possibly get him to use the toilet or we can just wait boringly until he chills out a bit. If he had managed to calm down, then I might be able to explain about the branch being in people's way, and then he might be open to either moving it himself or waiting while I move it, if someone else hasn't done it already. But either way, I would be on high alert for the fact even if he has come down a bit from the threshold where he goes into la-la land, he could easily shoot right back up there again. And I do a lot of this pre-emptively, so we don't do a lot of long outings, or going to busy places, or attending events or activities which happen after about 3pm. After school is still a crap shoot whether he will be bolting off doing god knows what or whether he'll talk to me nicely (or scream and shout at me 🤷‍♀️) and he finishes school at lunchtime. I don't feel like a failure about it any more because I know what's going on for him but I definitely did for a long time (by which I mean, if you feel like a failure, please don't). And I've just sort of accepted the fact that 90% of the school/nursery parents and staff probably think I'm a totally hopeless parent and annoying person. Luckily I do have friends who get it, and some staff members get it.

BTW don't wait for school/nursery/etc to suggest neurodivergence. They do not do this IME. None of the children's schools/nurseries have done this. Even when I asked outright with DS2, two separate settings/three different staff members said oh no!!!! Nothing like THAT!!! Confused I swear he is the most extremely ADHD child I have ever met. But I suppose it's only become obvious that was the case as he's diverged more from his peers - he used to be simply one of the more rowdy or odd children in the group, but as the other children started to develop things like attention spans and ability to regulate emotions or stop and think before acting, he just hasn't developed those things at all making it much more starkly obvious there is something going on. But I don't know if we would have got taken seriously apart from I had my own and my older child's diagnosis to wave at them saying helloooo, family history. He was about 5.5 when I asked for the referral and 6.5 when he was diagnosed.

The example convo in the screenshot I would imagine that child is at least 10, and it's not an especially realistic example anyway. There is a podcast, which has some better examples on it although they often are hypothetical because it is a phone-in radio show made into a podcast. You haven't said how old your DS is but I would guess maybe 5 ish? Based on the fact you said 3 was hard (suggesting he's not only just 4) and he is in school but is still in a car seat which is harder to escape suggesting probably not a high back booster yet. You couldn't have that kind of convo with a 5yo, even a very mature one. And if your child has a reduced attention span or gets dysregulated easily then no chance - they would need to be much older.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 19/12/2025 08:21

I found the "social story" structure worked quite well just for talking to my DC. (You're supposed to prepare a little booklet with pictures and read it with your kid, and the school did that but I didn't go that far.)

On the other hand "Eye contact and get down at their level" which someone recommended upthread was high risk for my DC. He couldn't look at someone and listen to them at the same time, plus he was triggered by faces too close and there was a risk of getting clawed (though I saw his TA do it once and my heart was in my mouth but she got away with it)

If I had something really important to say to DC I planned it social-story style, stood up and turned my back. I could get his attention by saying his name. I knew DC was listening because he wasn't talking - as soon as he started talking about something unconnected I knew he'd had enough. (I once role-played this with a therapist taking DC's place at a parenting group.)

DC has a very good memory and he took things in, often even when he responded badly to them on the spot. If he had the self-control to do what he now knew was the right thing on future occasions he would.

I'm not proposing this as a solution for anyone else. Just saying that nothing works for every child and nothing works all the time.

Something else to add about anger and aggression. There are kids who seem to go from zero to rage. Every painful emotion not just anger or frustration but also anxiety, confusion, fear, embarrassment, disappointment, shame... they could all get expressed by lashing out. I used to think "couldn't you just collapse into tears?" Even sometimes? But that wasn't how it worked. The feelings were all there but they didn't come out as you'd expect.

Hollyisalrightactuallysorry · 19/12/2025 09:04

@andanotheryearjust laughing to myself in the car as those screenshotted conversations.

In no universe my child is in would those conversations work. They would with my eldest, but not with feral child 2 😂

andanotheryear · 19/12/2025 13:43

I find this the issue with parenting books generally - just not realistic at all. Had another morning where he’s drawn all over the cushions on the sofa. Hard not to feel like a failure.

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CatHairEveryWhereNow · 19/12/2025 14:16

Pens out of reach in container he can't open and supervised more closely going forward.

If he behaves at school - and with others - and it's just you he tunes out and doesn't listen to - I'd look at how you talk and communicate with him - he clarly needs somthing different to older sibling.

DD1 and DD2 could behave at school but they still had issues flagged up and DS really struggled - the school flagged up he didn't seem to care about consquences - and I think looking back it's because his short term memory was so bad something they missed he was just confused. Other noticed their issues - I may have been first with DH a close second but others noticed as well.

So if it's really just you and he behaves else where what is different - clearer rules more supervision? If he home and fed up and thus destrucive try running energy off he has with early morning walk or something.

andanotheryear · 19/12/2025 14:19

Yeah see I can’t live like that.

I am a normal person who uses pens and leaves them out. I can’t pretend I can live in a house where I’m going to always put them away: I won’t.

Early morning walks in the pitch black also aren’t very practical or sensible from a safety point of view.

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CatHairEveryWhereNow · 19/12/2025 14:51

andanotheryear · 19/12/2025 14:19

Yeah see I can’t live like that.

I am a normal person who uses pens and leaves them out. I can’t pretend I can live in a house where I’m going to always put them away: I won’t.

Early morning walks in the pitch black also aren’t very practical or sensible from a safety point of view.

Kids drawing on stuff they are not meant to is fairly normal childhood behavior - some never will like your eldest some will if chance arises.

It's not abnormal or particularly diffcult behavior to deal with - yes slip up happen but if you know it's possible behavior with a child you doesn't care about punishement then you make life as easy as possible and set house up to avoid it as much as possible.

You have an endless list of reasons you can't do what most of us consider basic parenting - fair enough the child you have won't change to accomodate your needs and wants so image it will be tough few years till they get older.

andanotheryear · 19/12/2025 16:08

My endless list of reasons is that basic parenting doesn’t fucking work

and no, most five year olds don’t draw on cushions if a pen is left out for a nanosecond

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/12/2025 16:32

andanotheryear · 19/12/2025 16:08

My endless list of reasons is that basic parenting doesn’t fucking work

and no, most five year olds don’t draw on cushions if a pen is left out for a nanosecond

They really do. So do 11-15 year olds if it happens to be a Sharpie or marker pen - although then it tends to be the seat cushion, the chair, the desk, the wall, the window, any noticeboards, the toilet cubicle, their hands, their friend's arm, books, framed pictures...

OneBadKitty · 19/12/2025 16:49

Drawing on walls and furniture etc. is not normal childhood behaviour in children over about the age of about 3. If they do this sort of thing they likely have some form of SEN or are behaving in this way intentionally for a specific reason.

NT children of school age are fully capable of understanding right and wrong and knowing exactly why they shouldn't draw on anything other than those things intended for drawing on. I would not be accepting behaviours of this sort as par for the course.

NewUserName2244 · 20/12/2025 05:28

It’s not easy to manage, and I feel for you @andanotheryear

Those sort of plans-in-place-in-advance strategies work really well here and, for example, we have a hairbrush tied to our bathroom radiator which is, I think, probably my most cost-to-benefit action in 10 years of parenting.

But the problem I’ve got is that when you have a ND child with 100 quirks you can’t put everything into place. It isn’t good for you and anyone else in the household living with a million different rules to remember. And it isn’t good for the ND child because it’s not fitting them for the real world. As you say, no one wants to live in a house where pens live in a locked box!

So, I tend to go for the adaptations which can be done once, upstream, rather than it affecting every day life, even if they cost more money.

For example, if the writing on things happened often, I’d buy washable markers and put anything non washable into the bin. And I’d buy black cushions so it can’t happen again. And some paint testers of your wall colour so that it’s a 10 minute job to paint over. In our house I’d make dc wash the things he wrote on each time, but the adaptations would reduce the stress.

malificent7 · 20/12/2025 05:56

Yanbu..dd is like this and calls me manipulative if I impose consequences. Bless her! 😪

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