To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

[Dangeos]

After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

I'm utterly disgusted by what's happening in gaza and find it unbearable to witness, but I also don't think it's remotely acceptable to victim blame Jews for the anti semitic sentiment and violence against Jewish people that we are now seeing more visibly.

"the genocide in Palestine has triggered additional antisemitism ?" It's anti semitic to hold the Jewish people to account for the actions of a particular government. It should have triggered anti- Israeli government sentiment by all means - but this should never have included the Jewish people. There has always been an under current of anti semitism the problem is now that people feel emboldened to be more obvious and overt about it rather than this be a new thing triggered by what's happening in gaza. I will condem the actions and decisions of the Israeli government all day long, but I also don't think that's anything to do with Jewish people and I will also condem the actions of Hamas which are just as reprehensible.

"100 Jewish lives matter more than ten thousand Palestinians" as someone who's lived through a civil war - this attitude is simply a race to the bottom. You cannot allow yourself to get into a debate about who's life matters more or how many lives are ok to sacrifice because ultimately both governments hold a level of accountability here for the atrocities were seeing and what's gone before and noone should have been killed. Both governments did have the option of striving for peace compromise and Co existence and both governments have failed people by being unable to buy in and broker this.

"the violence - death - in Palestine has upset people and thrown some over the edge. Violent death and scenes of horror will do that" Honestly, there are people from every creed who are extremist and the reasons behind that extremism are complex but let's not pretend like they're simply acting out of desperation and heartache. That's not what this is. To go out into a neighbourhood and murder people including a child in order to get your political opinion across is ALWAYS abhorrent and simply terrorist. It should never be dismissed as an act of desperation as that takes some accountability off the murders and they are 100% accountable for their actions and decisions. You can't control what others do but you can control how you respond. That father and son are no different than anyone else in that respect.

This^

Anyone who conflates what's happening with Jewish people just living their lives across the world is out of order. Anyone who allows themselves to commit murder should be held fully and completely accountable for their decision. ANYTHING else than full accountability creates the idea that there is a grey area where its fine for people to murder kids to make a political statement and that area cannot be allowed to exist in any context.

Oh come on open your mind

none of the posts you refer to are justifying

Of course they're not. In exactly the same way that targeting Australian Jews because they happen to share a religion with Netanyahu is totally unjustified too. That absurdity is exactly what @HeadyLamarr is pointing out but good to see that you agree with it too (even if that's not what you intended ;) ).

I voted unreasonable. And I am totally against any campaign of violence against anyone.

We can't ban words. That's why I voted as I did.

I am not aware of any banned words. For sure, words used in a certain way can be, and rightly are, treated as hate speech, malicious communication, incitement to hatred etc.

But words can't be banned.

Germany has some pretty strict laws on certain terms and actions being used in public, but the words are not banned, because how else is anyone going to talk about it, or learn about it.

In any case, ban words and the anti semites will just invent or use new terms.

" Globalists" for example. Used by anti semites all over instead of "Jews". Especially in the comments in right wing press, such as Breitbart. A classic dog whistle.

Really? Really??

"the violence - death - in Palestine has upset people and thrown some over the edge. Violent death and scenes of horror will do that"

That's a pretty clear cut piece of "look what you made us do" logic.

Jewish people in Australia - or anywhere - are not responsible for the IDF, just as my neighbour Jabine isn't responsible for Hamas.

...constantly giving a very strong impression that 100 Jewish lives matter more than ten thousand Palestinians.

Demanding sympathy for Jewish lives lost, yet having none for Palestinian lives ...honestly mind blowing

This! It begs belief about the sympathies!

The above is what the trope of "Jewish exceptionalism" looks like. It espouses the belief that Jews think they're special, that their suffering is exceptional and that they therefore think they are worthy of and demanding more sympathy than any other people suffering, in this case, Palestinians in its current incarnation. It is deeply antisemitic and thoroughly disgusting.

No-one's asking for sympathy but if you really can't manage to find an ounce of it for at least murdered Jewish children and Holocaust survivors, no need to pipe up with victim blaming and an imaginary scenario in which Jews are demanding sympathy and special treatment while they reel with shock over this latest massacre and mourn their dead.

And I don't believe the term should be banned because there's no point and the arseholes who revel in saying it will keep right on saying it regardless as it serves to enhance their fantasies of being revolutionary freedom fighters rather than overprivileged cosplaying dickheads.

ETA I'm referring to what I've seen in real life, not on MN before anyone thinks this is directed at them.

Totally agree with you. I feel disgust with people that do this.

So in your given context, what does "globalise the intifada" mean? What does the murder of Jews on a beach in Australia have to do with Gaza?

Would you justify a mass shooting of Russians in the UK based on Putin's invasion of Ukraine? Or is it only Jews you think should be held accountable for what is happening in a country thousands of miles from them?

This needs shouting at all who make excuses. No excuse.

Would you blame Russians for putins actions? Dd has a lovely Russian friend she’s 17. By your logic she’s fair game if you don’t like what putin is doing in the Ukraine. Disgusting anti semitism pure and simple.

It is. Totally. Shame on anyone that does that.

I cannot honestly believe you've written that

The troops that are killing civilians in an act of civilian punishment are to blame. Whatever Hamas did, its not to do with the 1000s of innocent men, women and children killed indiscriminately

It's a war, in a very dense urban area. Wars are very ugly, which is why it's unforgivable that Hamas started this one.

The IDF is not deliberately targeting civilians, this is yet another piece of propoganda that has helped whip up antisemitism globally, with the devastating, lethal outcomes we've seen from the US to Manchester to now Bondi.

Ah I see the bit where you cherry picked what I said, when I absolutely agreed that what happened in Australia was wrong, but that denying a genocide in Gaza is also wrong.

It's not a trope to for me to say that asking for sympathy for one set of people, whilst having none of another is terrible.

Or are you now saying that I cannot criticise someone because they're Jewish? Because that's very much what it sounds like to me, when you've absolutely misrepresented what I said.

You seem to lack objectivity

the poster isn’t justifying, they are linking world events - surely you can countenance the possibility that the killers are trying to influence the killing of more innocents in Gaza

you know they are connected (and no one is justifying that - they just aren’t saying “think like me” as you are)

You seem to be burying your head and sticking fingers in ears saying “la la la”

They're all your own words.

So you do have sympathy for the Palestinians who have lost their lives ?

Please explain how murdering Jews in Australia has a logical link with Gaza, other than a general "we hate Jews, and want to kill as many as possible, wherever they live"?

Oh fuck off with your ‘constant tedious bickering’. How dare you trivialise the war against Jews.

@Maddyisqueen Btw, calling for "objectivity" on a thread about a massacre of Jews is very telling about you and your tendency towards antisemitism.

The 'context of what's going on in Gaza' is a terrorist government that committed the deadliest and most brutal terrorist attack in Israel's history and is still attacking. Obviously there is an occupation, as would be the response of literally any other country.

I did say them, including saying I thought the Australian attacks were awful

Thanks for confirming my point that now simply disagreeing with a Jewish person is now using a trope ... what an absolute joke of an argument!

Of course?