To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

[Dangeos]

After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

Plus Israel actually pulled out of Gaza twenty years ago. I use to think their strict border control was a blockade, then I saw what happened when it got breached.

Errr… murdering Australian jews, including a little girl, who have no influence whatsoever over the actions of the Israeli government, while on a beach in Sydney is simply ‘wrong’, while Israel’s military response to the Hamas attack on Israel is abhorrent?

This twisted ranking of atrocities is deeply disturbing. I really worry about the hatred towards Jews in this country and wish I could do more to show solidarity with the Jewish community living here.

The pro-terrorist logic displayed on mumsnet is disturbing and I worry about where we are headed when so many liberal minded mumsnetters are unable to see innocent Jews as people.

I have also walked past the PA sympathisers showing solidarity for a terrorist cause- mainly grey haired liberal idiots. These are the fools allowing terrorism to flourish and encouraging the cause of unhinged militants who think it is a great idea to gun down families on a beach.

I had hoped the Bondi attack would at least make these people feel ashamed but I think I was wrong about that.

Again, all your own words. I didn't say anything of the sort so I agree your argument (with an imaginary adversary over an imaginary scenario) is an absolute joke.

So do you think the term 'globalise the intifada' should be banned?

It means resistance against occupation, so no, it shouldn’t be banned.

Would you have banned calling for resistance in any other situation where people were suffering because their occupiers are killing them?

The thing is if a member of Hamas was writing some of these posts I’d understand it - violently disagree of course - but see why they had that view.

What I can’t stomach is utterly stupid and blinkered posters who are clearly from, I don’t know, Leamington Spa, spouting bilious nonsense to try to justify the shooting of people on a beach in Australia. They think they’re oh so on the right - and trendy - side but they’re fools. Islamists don’t like you too much either.

Reminds me of a thread following the Manchester Arena bombing. I nearly had to burst through the internet to accost the poster who wanted to remind us to have sympathy too for the bomber and his family who felt compelled to this act 😡

Here's the mother of Matilda, btw, speaking of how the gunman deliberately aimed for her.
The came to Australia from Ukraine thinking they'd be safe, and gave her the most Australian name they could think of.

https://x.com/HeidiBachram/status/2000958474402861498

No it does NOT mean what you WANT to it to justify your minimising ANOTHER massacre. Where are all those posters who jump on every post about so called Islamophobia. Have they made an appearance? Oh and saying you can't call out Israel without being called antisemitic but you can't criticise terrorism and illegal immigration without being called Islamophobic. Coming on another thread about terrorists murdering a 10 year old girl and all the other innocents and doing everything and anything to protect a race of people while ignoring the plight of another. As for the one who couldn't even get the age of the youngest victim right. Hypocrites. Just say you're a racist and remember that when you're the first to call out racism against Muslims.

I cannot really comment in any detail as I have had a warning from Mumsnet saying my account could be suspended as they have had complaints about what I have said on either this post or the post about anti-semitism. I have read the rules but am not sure what I have said that breaks these rules.

No, they absolutely did not. The court made no judgement on whether a genocide might have been committed. They ruled that the Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide. That's completely different. See the ex-president of the I CJ explaining.

So what does globalising this resistance mean to you? Presumably not the murder of children and elderly Holocaust survivors on a beach in Australia. So what do you see it as involving, and does it have any manifestations that you would unequivocally condemn?

I will give you a clue. You have been minimising the effects of antisemitism and you're not the only one.you have been more concerned with gaslighting the Jewish into making them believe they are the oppressors. Let's hope you can now reflect and try to treat these specific threads with respect.

I think people entrenched themselves so firmly in the "Free Palestine side", and shouted about it so often and posted about it so often, and made sure everyone knew that they were on the "right side of history" with their support of Gazans, Islam, multiculturalism in the UK, trans rights and Labour (= "Good People") that they are really struggling when something like this happens, which is so clearly antisemitic barbarism by people who believe wiping Israelis out from the river to the sea. It's like their minds can't compute that actually it's more complex than what their shouting and placard waving and FB updates realised.

Globalise the Intifada
From the River to the sea

Both unequivocally referencing the slaughter of Jews.

Run away from terms that discomfort you BUT you don't get to come on this thread and tell the victims they are imagining the oppression.

Obviously ‘globalise the infitada’ or ‘globalise the resistance’ is a call to globalise fighting against Jews. The phrase is not ‘globalise the peaceful protest’.

Shame on every single denier of this or sympathiser of PA or person chanting ‘to the river’.

At best, these people have been indifferent to what the Jewish community has been telling us, that these chants and marches are increasing antisemitism, encouraging extremists and putting them in danger. They HAVE warned against this and those individuals participating in marches have not cared. Their callous indifference has consequences.

The video of Matilda’s mother is so upsetting. That poor woman.

If you say you cannot criticise Israel's government without being called a racist, try following that line when you call people Islamaphobic. You can't have it both ways. R.I.P the victims of another terrorist massacre. When will lessons ever be learned.

Does that include Revisionist Zionism supported by Netanyahu?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism

Well said. ❤️

What recent actions are you including in this resistance?

Don’t be ridiculous

Resistance against occupation? Resistance is an objective term. I believe what these threads show is that Resistance actually means justification for continuing the age old persecution of Jews so you can say you came down on the right side of history. It takes a very shallow coward to think like that. I would rather stand up and be counted. As luck would have it, many others think the same.

Truth hurts, clearly.

Oh please quote me.

Haven't you had a warning? I'd say that speaks for itself.

Benjamin Netanyahu —

“So today I ask all of you to do two things, only two things: support Israel and fight antisemitism. They are one and the same.”.

“If you want to maintain your Jewish identity, then you have a stake in the State of Israel because Israel is the great guarantor of Jewish identity. If you’re interested in Jewish identity, support Israel.”

Gideon Sa’ar -
“When we are united — we are strong. I expressed my thanks for the backing that the Jewish communities give the State of Israel.”

Of course there are many more statements of this nature. These are just a few examples. Should Netanyahu and his ministers be applying for/assuming the support of foreign citizens for the actions of his government which they had no hand in electing? (and some of whom of course deeply oppose his policies).

It seems ethically pretty suspect and of course muddies the waters (purposefully one would assume) between legitimate criticism of Israel and horrible antisemitism - ie - you can’t criticise Israel and simultaneously call yourself a proud Jewish person/opposer of antisemitism, as supporting Israel’s policy and actions and opposing antisemitism are of course “one and the same” (Netanyahu)