To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

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After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

I agree with this.

I think there's a lot of people on the political Left (i.e., Labour) who are also more concerned about capturing the Muslim vote so appease the group as opposed to tackling them head on.

I think this issue is larger than a left v right issue. We should all be able to band together to tackle this threat as it impacts all of our lives and our safety. We should feel safe at Christmas markets, at church/synagogue, at a dance class, on a bus/train, at a concert, etc.

We need to tackle not just Islam but those on the Left who are allying themselves to Islam as they are also the ones who are shutting down conversations that need to be had-preventing real action being taken. I think some of the more far left elements are allying themselves to Islam because they have the same goal-destruction of the West.

What none of those people realise is that destruction of the West will mean destruction of all their hard-won rights.

I think the constant restrictions on our speech is proving that our multicultural experiment is failing, but our ruling elites would rather micromanage the natural tensions than deal with the issue head-on.

And when our multicultural society goes tits up-the natives don't have an Israel to flee to.

@OliveBranch22

Quote this bit : "....they thwarted another attempted attack on Bondi Beach again with 7 middle eastern men being arrested-just days later-when can you?"

I had to look that up. Briefly detained. In response to info received. After their 2 cars were rammed by cops. The article I found said they were travelling from Melbourne, not the Middle East. Source CBS News.

This bit where you said : "Are you just going to bury your head in the sand and let other people be the collateral damage for your moral cowardice? Some people would sooner be stabbed or blown up before they'd ever allow someone to consider them racist. You can have that for yourself-but I, for one, won't be silenced because someone like you rolled up and used buzzwords that mean absolutely nothing "

The bolded bit. Are you saying people should be racist ? If so, what race should we be racist against ? And do people of your specified race have to be racist towards themselves ?

Words do mean something. I thought @ForWittyTealOP made some good posts, with no buzzwords.

Your moral cowardice point made me think. Do you mean like " throwing the Christians to the lions"? That is, that the Christians had the moral courage to uphold their faith and their values, to not bow down to the Romans and become Pagans ? But I think that is crossing from moral courage to physical when it actually came to the lions bit ?

Moral courage is about facing social or emotional risk, to stand up for fairness, integrity and justice.

Are you saying moral courage is racism, the exact opposite ?

Sorry for using the R word. I am not accusing anyone, just trying to understand.

We can’t do this. I mean Ik we are in that they’ve been cancelled but no we can’t just say ok. It’s madness.

@RedTagAlan They were travelling from Melbourne, but originated from the Middle East.

I think you're being disingenuous. I'm saying that whenever the issue of Islam and immigration comes up, both necessary discussions, people throw out the word "racist" and "far right" as tools to silence the discussion because historically, they have always worked.

These are thrown out in lieu of making an argument against what the person is saying. You know fine well I wasn't saying that people should be racist. I was saying calling people racist or far right to shut down discussions and this has been a tactic famously employed by those on the Left.

It is moral cowardice to refuse to talk about prevalent issues in society for fear for being called a hurty word, yes. People in our authorities turned a blind eye to the rape gangs because they didn't want to be "racist" or "cause community tensions." I would classify that as an act of pure moral cowardice.

It truly is.

It means that terror has won and we've all given up our culture, our traditions and will be living in a state of fear.

@OliveBranch22

What you said here is a bit of a standout : " Believe it or not, this isn't just about Jewish people. The issue of Islamic terrorism isn't only important because it impacts Jewish people, you know. And frankly, it seems a pattern that Jewish people only care about this when it came knocking on their door."

Are you really saying that Jews have not been aware of this ? That Jews are not aware of persecution, not aware that some people that want to kill them, to wipe them out ?

Wow. Just wow.

You also use the words "natives" a lot. I am trying to understand where you are coming from. Are you coming from a white savior position? If that makes sense ?

I’m not sure why cancelling those celebrations doesn’t make pretty much everyone think hang on this isn’t right.

When you say " far right" is thrown about to silence discussion, you do know why ? You do know what the far right is infamous for ?

And when you say it's used by the "left", you are aware of a big war that happened against the far right, and it was not all "lefties" on the winning side ?

To me, to digress a bit, it's a bit like how ANTIFA is viewed. I am ANTIFA. I don't do marches etc, but I align with the main concept. That is, anti-fascist. Because if you are anti-antifa, what does that make one ? Anti anti- fascism. The opposite of being anti being pro,

I just think far right is not a good place to go on the Overton scale.

My goodness, you've been so composed and dignified in your responses x

No, Antifa are the antithesis of fighting against fascism. I'm glad you've outed yourself in your alliance because it means I know now not to enter into further discussion with you. Antifa abhor Jews. If you're a woman and you subscribe to that venomous hard left group, I pity you.

Antifa can call themselves what they want, it does not make it true. It is very definitely not the first time an fascist organisation have declared themselves left-wing. Would you automatically align yourself with the main concepts of a national socialism party because the name makes it sound like they're socialists? Giving you the benefit of the doubt, you may want to examine an organisation more carefully before you declare allegiance.

You definitely do not have to be far-right to be anti-Antifa. Quite the opposite.

I’m not sure Antifa is a good place to be on that scale.

Antifa. Oh dear. Just oh dear.

Embarrassing isn't it but they've shown their true colours.

Nope, normal people are not falling for this far right accusation bullshit anymore.

One - you do realise that not only Jewish people were killed and injured in the attack - many non Jewish Australians are personally suffering losses and many more are suffering due to what this attack means to our country. We are not co-opting Jewish suffering, we are suffering together.

Two - protecting our borders is exactly what needs to happen. And the left can no longer shut down discussion about immigration by bleating about racism and far right. People know they are not racists and also know they don't want people who danced in the streets to celebrate Oct 7 and chanted 'gas the Jews' in our country.

The left only have themselves to blame as people move to the right when their mealy mouthed response to questions about what they are going to do about hate speech from Muslims clerics (such as those the shooter associated with) are 'well we banned the nazi salute' and 'diversity is our strength '.

My grandad was antifa during the war.

Anti fascist.

I am anti fascist too.

Antifa, so far as I am aware, has no organisation. It's a concept. The concept of being anti fascist. There is no structure to declare an allegiance to. No membership cards.

Yes, I am anti fascist.

I am also technically a Zionist. I firmly believe Isreal has a right to exist as a state. Although I do have an inner conflict in that I am pro secular states, and against theocracies. But that is an example of a contradiction I suppose. Self determination over riding some other aspects of statehood.

Not everything is binary after all.

I was not aware being anti fascist had a colour.

Israel isn't a theocracy, its largely a secular democracy with religious courts only covering some personal matters like marriage. Its not the only country with religion playing a part in a democratic system - in the UK the bishops still sit in the House of Lords.

The secular state in Isreal pretty much ended in 2018, when they passed their Jewish state law.

I agree that Isreal is nominally secular, but Bibi did declare it to be officially Jewish. It was a close vote, and with a change of government a change of that law is possible.

So it is officially a theocracy, albeit a democratic one of course.

Israel passes Jewish state law, enshrining 'national home of the Jewish people' | The Times of Israel

Sorry, that is incorrect. You misunderstand the meaning. It is not officially a theocracy.

Honestly, the term ‘antifa’ is not synonymous with anti fascist. The fact that there is no formal antifa organisation doesn’t make that any more true. It describes a collection of autonomous groups who share far left views and use particular tactics. Great granny who fought against Hitler and voted Tory all her life was not antifa.

For sure it is open to debate. My view is that when a law is passed in 2018 declaring it to be a Jewish state, and then the same guy is on the world stage a few years later quoting religion as justification for war, that makes it a theocracy.

Could we agree that it is a theocracy under the current government, and that will likely change ?

Netanyahu's references to violent biblical passages raise alarm among critics : NPR