To think we should ban the term ‘globalise the intifada’

[Dangeos]

After the terrorist attacks in Manchester and now Bondi, I struggle to see how this term is anything other than a call to violence against Jews. We should be cracking down on it, in the same way we do other hate and violence inciting speech.

With respect, you weren’t. You were attributing a cause.

are you aware that hatred of the Jews is ancient and goes back hundreds in fact thousands of years? Are you aware of the history of the Jews in medieval Europe? Of the pogroms over hundred of years? Of the Holocaust? That at least you must be. Those murders of Jews for being Jewish weren’t because of the actions of a state that didn’t yet exist. That state exists because of hatred of the Jews. It is not responsible for it. It did not create it out of nothing.

The Israeli government (of whom I am no fan) played right into Hamas’ hands after October 7. It did exactly what Hamas hoped. And across the world, idiots on social media who didn’t have the first understanding about what was going on leapt on board a fashionable cause. They unleashed a Pandora’s box. They made hating Jews perfectly socially acceptable again. They have done exactly what they called for. They have globalised the intifada. Hamas must be absolutely delighted. And Jews peacefully worshipping in the UK and Australia are being murdered. It’s all sounding awfully familiar again isn’t it?

And to glibly assert that these latest murders are merely the fault of Israel is not just partial. It is actually offensive. I am sure you didn’t mean it like that. But it really is.

So what’s the answer? Israel should be good and then Jews will be safe? That’s no answer. There is nothing Israel can do to stop the Islamists other than disappear. Even if there was something they could do, we have little power to influence them and we owe it to ourselves and our children to hold the line. We don’t tolerate discrimination, incitement or violence. It doesn’t matter what war is happening or who is oppressed - targeting civilians is never justified and there should be no attempts to explain or excuse or justify. Doing this only emboldens them. All we have to say is, ‘no, we won’t tolerate this’.

The answer is complex that’s why no one can find it

There is no "both sides" to a father and son shooting up a playground of innocent people 10,000 miles away from Israel.

Addressing antisemitism actually isn’t complex. I think we should respond to antisemitism as I said above, with zero tolerance. Because blaming Israel or understanding motives is not actually a solution.

Your taking out all the factors here and simplifying

Definitely

but we can still look closer

It is also calling to resist the imperial colonisation by Arabs across the Middle East and Africa? You know, like all the ones in Palestine who are a very long way from Arabia? Or is just Jewish imperial colonists that need to be resisted? You know, like the ones who were turfed out of their own lands by the Arab imperial colonists and so have to huddle in Israel in a desperate attempt to not be persecuted?

I will predict that you will see more Jews killed around the world in terror attacks , because the violence - death - in Palestine has upset people and thrown some over the edge. Violent death and scenes of horror will do that

And what were the excuses prior to the creation of the state of Israel in the 20th century?
Because there's always something.

‘Thrown some over the edge’, as if the shooters have no agency.
As if the people who shoot innocent Jews are just more sensitive than the rest of us, less racist.
🤦

Sounds like terrorist apologism to me.

you can’t see that the genocide in Palestine has triggered additional antisemitism ? You can’t see the link?

I think only bigots and zealots conflate the appalling actions of Netanyahu's government towards Gaza with the global population of Jewish people.

Hamas did this when they committed the atrocity on October 7th. They knew damned well what Netanyahu would do, but the don't care how many Gazans die in the war they started.

I used to think the security guards outside synagogues in my neighborhood growing up were there because of paranoia; that the world had moved on since the bad old days. Turns out I was naïve and very wrong.

It can be misused to justfy terrorism but it does refer to getting worldwide support to stop Palestinians being murded by Israel. Banning it would be wrong but some of the actions being justified under the slogan are clearly abhorent. In the same way as calling for the world to unite against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine should not be banned even if there were attacks on Russian citizens using that as an excuse

Good luck with that.

An intifada is simply an Arabic term for a rebellion / resistance movement / uprising.

If they instead used full English term would you still want it banned.

Those who decide to use violence to achieve their aims are not swayed by a term.

Russia started the war against Ukraine though. Israel, an ally of the west, was invaded and attacked.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking and trying to say

thank you

Aaaaaand BINGO!

Ah, that must just be the UN being antisemitic huh.

I bet you think there is no settler violence either.

What happened in Australia was wrong, the genocide committed in Gaza is abhorrent.

Demanding sympathy for Jewish lives lost, yet having none for Palestinian lives ...honestly mind blowing

So you presumably also think it would be understandable, if not acceptable, for random Muslims to be murdered because of the actions of hamas? Even if they're not remotely connected to hamas, or palestine, and even if they've spoken loudly about how they utterly reject Oct 7th and all of the previous attempts by palestine to attack Israel? And presumably it's also totally understandable that Muslims should also be targeted for other Muslims' actions across the globe, like Sudan? You would think it completely understandable if I went and shot a load of people celebrating an Islamic festival in Australia because I'm unhappy about how the taliban treat women in Afghanistan? Obviously definitely not ok... but understandable.

This! It begs belief about the sympathies

Demanding sympathy for Jewish lives lost, yet having none for Palestinian lives ...honestly mind blowing

It's not a lack of sympathy, it's a disagreement about who is ultimately to blame for the loss of Palestinian civilian lives.

I don't think anyone is either "demanding" or wants your sympathy. It is pretty clear from this astonishingly pitiless post that you have none.
It's actually hard to know where to begin here: whether it's in the apparent straight out contest (of your own making?) between "Jewish" and "Palestinian" lives; or your nice distinction between "wrong" and "abhorrent"; or throwing the settlers in for good measure. (I happen to abhor them. But regardless of my views on them, that shouldn't make me fair game. And from what I can see a bunch of Australian Jews eating doughnuts, petting goats and lighting candles on Bondi beach had f-all to do with that either).
Enjoy the privilege of your armchair position.

Demanding sympathy for Jewish lives lost, yet having none for Palestinian lives ...honestly mind blowing

First of all, most of us can manage to hold more than one thing in our head, and sympathise with the innocent victims of violence worldwide.

Secondly, anyone justifying the murder of Australian Jews because Netanyahu is also Jewish is frigging insane.

Can I punch my Russian-heritage neighbour because of Putin? My daughter's best friend has an Afghani dad, should we hold him accountable for the Taliban?

Sharing a characteristic, nationality or religion doesn't mean someone is an "understandable" target for murder.