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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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littlebilliie · 15/12/2025 12:18

I think what happened on the beach after shows a clear agenda. It’s a terrible event and sympathy to all the families

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:18

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 12:15

That's weird because I looked up Islamist terrorist attacks globally over the last few decades, and frankly the incels and "flag shaggers"* have a lot of catching up to do if they want to catch up to deaths in the hundreds of thousands.

*Biggest flag shaggers to me appear to be the twats that disrupted city centres with their Palestine flags every Saturday for two years.

Absolutely not they do not. Abusing women is the norm in the UK from men.

Ahh are those with palestinian flags burning hotels? Can you link me to that report. I have not seen it.

BrightNightLightsMightFight · 15/12/2025 12:18

nomas · 15/12/2025 12:16

I don't think selective quoting helps anyone. The Bible tells people to kill non-believers. We should be beyond this. What is needed is calmness, not people stoking hatred.

Leviticus 24:16
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

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I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a Christian extremist siting Leviticus to commit a terror attack against non-believers, so Im not sure it really is that relevant but agree with the general point

Vivi0 · 15/12/2025 12:21

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:08

Terrorism from flag shaggers is a massive threat. Terrorism from incels is a massive threat.

All have the same thing in common.....men! Violent men using their hatred for certain groups in order to justify their abuse towards said group.

The problem is men, not Muslims.

Terrorism from flag shaggers is a massive threat. Terrorism from incels is a massive threat.

No it fucking isn’t!

The problem is men, not Muslims.

The problem is radical Islamism.

Why is that such a difficult thing to acknowledge?

BadgernTheGarden · 15/12/2025 12:21

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2025 12:18

A small point, I know, but it seems especially sickening that the mother and wife of the killers thought this a good time to start mewling about her son being "a good boy"

Given the hate that must have been shared between father and son I wonder what kind of conversations took place in that home, and what she too might have turned a blind eye to

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/mother-of-alleged-bondi-killer-anyone-would-wish-to-have-a-son-like-mine-hes-a-good-boy/

He wasn't as good as she thought he was, and she's in denial, he was there with a gun shooting at people, but she can't believe it.

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:22

inamarina · 15/12/2025 12:06

Why are you seeing Jewish people being attacked and killed on a beach in Australia in the context of the war in Gaza?

People just want the excuse to either blame Isreal for leaving Jewish people vulnerable to hatred (there are rumours that the shooters are ex-IDF going around on Instagram - utterly unfounded) or Muslims for terrorist acts. This thread is a shambles to be honest.

anotherside · 15/12/2025 12:22

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 12:07

It was cold blooded murder of innocent Jewish people. It’s antisemitism hatred

how anyone feels about the war does not need to be announced while discussing this atrocity

but it is totally relevant that anti semitism has increased since the war started and has festered in many countries for years and now we can all see with our very eyes how bad it is

I agree with this. However in the context of rising antsemitism, would you agree that it is hugely unhelpful of the current Israeli government (and some its supporters) to purposefully and frequently conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with being antisemitic?

As what logically is implied from this stance is that “all Jewish people should stand with Israel and its actions”. Which of course they do not - but this is what Netanyahu and his ilk believe is or should be the case. Netanyahu and his government is therefore encouraging use of the same stupid logic being wielded by the idiots who blame all Jewish people for the actions of the Netanyahu government.

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/12/2025 12:22

Just wanted to send my respects and best wishes to those of the Jewish faith on here.

I know from friends how frightening it is right now, and I am so very sorry it has come to this.

There are many people who support your right to a peaceful existence in your own country. You are not alone.

FrizzyFrizbee · 15/12/2025 12:22

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 15/12/2025 11:31

I am a Zionist. I wasn’t when young, but I am now, and increasingly so. It just means the belief in the existence of the state of Israel. Where the fuck can Jews go now?? Not back to Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Sudan?? Not back to Russia or Ukraine. And seemingly not to the UK or Australia. Im so angry.

It’s an interesting point because I have found some people have strange views of what Zionism is, truly! Some people really do believe that Jews are a bad force wanting to control the whole world, very strange.

It’s important to get the message across as to what it is and why it is necessary. And what Hamas et al really want is to eradicate the Jews. Looks to me like THEY are the ones with the intention to commit genocide, not the Israelis.

nomas · 15/12/2025 12:23

BrightNightLightsMightFight · 15/12/2025 12:18

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a Christian extremist siting Leviticus to commit a terror attack against non-believers, so Im not sure it really is that relevant but agree with the general point

Anders Breivik, who murdered 77 people, described himself as a “Christian” cultural warrior in his manifesto.

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:23

rileybelle · 15/12/2025 12:17

Not wishing to derail the thread, but India has a long history of persecution of religious minorities, notwithstanding the Hinduvta religiously motivated attacks.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2022-0042/

Muslim fundamentalist terrorism is a worldwide problem. The war in Gaza has recruited many many useful idiots who don't understand the background or nuance of the situation in Israel.

Let's not forget, October 7th was a terrorist attack on civilians. If the IRA had attacked Glastonbury, murdered and taken hostage thousands of people and children, would the UK look benignly on at Ireland?

People have forgotten how to debate, how to recognise valid points on the opposite side and understand each other's point of view. We have descended into black and white thinking where we are incapable of admitting that we may be incorrect when presented with new information.

Whataboutery.

Islamic extremism vs Hindu extremism - which is more of a threat in the West. How many Hindus have driven into Christmas markets? Born up concerts?

The compulsive need to minimise the actual issue is always shocking to me.

rileybelle · 15/12/2025 12:23

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:23

Whataboutery.

Islamic extremism vs Hindu extremism - which is more of a threat in the West. How many Hindus have driven into Christmas markets? Born up concerts?

The compulsive need to minimise the actual issue is always shocking to me.

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Not at all, I was just pointing out the inaccuracies in your post.

rileybelle · 15/12/2025 12:24

You have also just beautifully demonstrated your own point.

Ketzele · 15/12/2025 12:24

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:14

We're not. We're innocent. As are the many individuals, families, workers etc who have died in Gaza.

So why is your post all about Gazans when this thread is about Jews? Do you think if Gaza was settled all the Jew-hatred would go away? Do you think Jews only really exist as diaspora representatives of Israel?

BeGladTealDog · 15/12/2025 12:25

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Onceuponatimethen · 15/12/2025 12:25

There should be no posts about Israeli government actions in this thread.

This attack was the racist murder of people because they are Jewish.

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 12:26

Vivi0 · 15/12/2025 12:21

Terrorism from flag shaggers is a massive threat. Terrorism from incels is a massive threat.

No it fucking isn’t!

The problem is men, not Muslims.

The problem is radical Islamism.

Why is that such a difficult thing to acknowledge?

People do deflect from acknowledging the issue.

nomas · 15/12/2025 12:28

rileybelle · 15/12/2025 12:23

Not at all, I was just pointing out the inaccuracies in your post.

Agreed, that poster is adept at ignoring the persecution of Muslims in India.

And many Sikhs have been calling for independence from India for decades.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 15/12/2025 12:28

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Except of course that as I’ve linked above the Australian Imams issued a statement yesterday unequivocally condemning the attack. Don’t claim they haven’t reacted when you clearly haven’t checked.

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 12:28

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:36

Is there anyone on here who said you can't?
This is about racism not "what about Israel".

To be fair numerous posters on the thread say this terrorism is directly the responsibility of the people protesting Israel's actions in Palestine. So they are sort of saying that. Unless there's some acceptable way to protest the Israeli government/military that doesn't, in their view, stoke antisemitism?

forgetitplease · 15/12/2025 12:29

Agree, OP. And the craziest part is that they'll call us the Nazis. All while being the biggest anti Semites ever. Adolf called, he wants his rhetoric back!

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:29

Why are people even discussing Islam in relation to this attack? Where has it been confirmed that the terrorists were carrying out this action based upon their Muslim faith? Or are you just assuming because you can't help your own racist ideals?

I've got to leave this thread and Mumsnet should remove it. Rampant anti-Islamic and anti-Semitic posts all over the place. Disgusting.

Lex345 · 15/12/2025 12:30

I am utterly sick of it , all of it.

All of this division, finger pointing and whataboutery about which extremist group are the worst/biggest threat. Yeah, but... what about...they started it... it is like the world has turned into a giant playground and bullies and hatred are completely running the show.

And It is always the innocent people who pay.

99.9% of people of all backgrounds, religions, cultures and beliefs don't want any of this. It is not what you would believe looking at the world now, but normal people live side by side regardless of background and belief without any issue.

It is a simple issue of mutual respect.

And of course the attack in Bondi was anti semitic. It is ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 12:30

anotherside · 15/12/2025 12:22

I agree with this. However in the context of rising antsemitism, would you agree that it is hugely unhelpful of the current Israeli government (and some its supporters) to purposefully and frequently conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with being antisemitic?

As what logically is implied from this stance is that “all Jewish people should stand with Israel and its actions”. Which of course they do not - but this is what Netanyahu and his ilk believe is or should be the case. Netanyahu and his government is therefore encouraging use of the same stupid logic being wielded by the idiots who blame all Jewish people for the actions of the Netanyahu government.

No

people make a choice regardless of what world leaders say. Some Muslim clerics have said some awful things has about non Muslims that racists repeat it as justification for their racism is because it suits their agenda

enough with these excuses

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