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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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MidnightPatrol · 15/12/2025 11:31

It is without a doubt an anti-Semitic attack.

Utterly pathetic too - killing children and the elderly.

I find it particularly disturbing the attackers were father and son. I wonder if that is why the authorities didn’t k is it was going to happen - no communication via phone etc discussing it.

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:31

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 11:27

You do know the person who grabbed the gun off the shooter was a muslim, right?

The religion of the person who grabbed the gun isn’t relevant to the point being discussed.

Individual Muslims can and do act heroically, just like individuals in any group. That doesn’t change the fact that widespread extremist interpretations of Islam have been used to justify terrorism and that is a VERY real threat.

Zov · 15/12/2025 11:32

100% agree @TheTamerShrew The hatred for jews knows no bounds, and it was definitely a thing WAY before all this current Palestine/Israel conflict.

@Cronte · Today 11:27

And all the Free Palestine mob have blood on their hands. They have poured fuel on the fire.

100% agree.

@Fetaface

You do know the person who grabbed the gun off the shooter was a muslim, right?

So what?

nocoolnamesleft · 15/12/2025 11:35

Oddly enough, I would tend to assume that an attack on Jews celebrating a Jewish holiday is targeted antisemitism of the worst kind. I can’t understand the reluctance to name it as such.

Zov · 15/12/2025 11:35

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:31

The religion of the person who grabbed the gun isn’t relevant to the point being discussed.

Individual Muslims can and do act heroically, just like individuals in any group. That doesn’t change the fact that widespread extremist interpretations of Islam have been used to justify terrorism and that is a VERY real threat.

100% this. ^ It's like, some men are pro-women, and will help and defend them if they're under attack, or in danger or peril, but there are still millions of men who want to harm women, and don't care what happens to them...

Nothingbutstress · 15/12/2025 11:36

I totally agree with you OP and I think it’s disgusting that certain chants etc have been allowed at the Palestine marches. This antisemitism has been stoked and stoked by the marches.

We all know which group is the problem. It isn’t Sikhs, Hindus, Jews or Christians shooting people dead, running them over in Christmas markets, blowing them up in the street. Unfortunately people seem to want to ignore the problem until it is their child being killed by radical islamists. I also feel that the events of October 7th are far too overlooked.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:36

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

Is there anyone on here who said you can't?
This is about racism not "what about Israel".

HoppityBun · 15/12/2025 11:37

YANBU. What has worried me for years about Israel’s actions in Gaza, is that Israel provides an easy excuse for antisemitism to become explicit.

I’m absolutely horrified by the way people who I have thought of as friends that I know well, come out with the most intolerant remarks.This seems to apply to people of all backgrounds and colours. That does surprise me.

Also, I think that worldwide, people are more overtly aware of the colour, race and background of people they come across in everyday life than they used to be, say 20-30 years ago. It’s as though all the different political factions, social media groups, politicisation and general aggression has made people hypersensitive to every difference.

MidnightPatrol · 15/12/2025 11:38

nocoolnamesleft · 15/12/2025 11:35

Oddly enough, I would tend to assume that an attack on Jews celebrating a Jewish holiday is targeted antisemitism of the worst kind. I can’t understand the reluctance to name it as such.

Hard to see how it could be anything else really.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:38

nocoolnamesleft · 15/12/2025 11:35

Oddly enough, I would tend to assume that an attack on Jews celebrating a Jewish holiday is targeted antisemitism of the worst kind. I can’t understand the reluctance to name it as such.

It's very strange. I was on the other thread. The attempts to blame the Jewish community and blame Israel was deeply unpleasant.
Some people clearly cannot express sympathy with some whataboutery.
At least one very antisemitic post was deleted.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:40

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/12/2025 10:47

It shocks me that religious leaders of other religious, particularly that of attackers, do not come out in force to denounce the actions of the murderers

I wish there were more voices denouncing this atrocity.

LeonMccogh · 15/12/2025 11:40

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inamarina · 15/12/2025 11:41

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

Why did you feel like mentioning Israel on a thread about Jewish people on a beach in Australia?

ViciousCurrentBun · 15/12/2025 11:41

It was obviously an anti semitic attack. The English side of my family had a Jewish refugee and her DD stay with them in WW2 and it deeply affected my Mother as a child. You just need to look at how anti semitism was not challenged properly for years within the Labour Party to see how deep this awful hatred is.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:42

AllTheChaos · 15/12/2025 11:28

Yep. It’s like, “well obviously murdering children and holocaust survivors is wrong… but”. Makes me think of the old line, “I’m not racist, but”, always followed by a racist comment!

This ⬆️

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:43

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Only by people looking for an excuse. I hate what's happening to women in Iran. I don't target my Muslim neighbour and hold him responsible.

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 11:45

inamarina · 15/12/2025 11:41

Why did you feel like mentioning Israel on a thread about Jewish people on a beach in Australia?

Good question.

yanbu op

xmasstress12 · 15/12/2025 11:46

Netanyahu and his actions have put a target on the backs of ordinary Jews across the world.

So by that logic the UK public attacks were to be expected and so are future ones?

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:46

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Did you have similar concerns about U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and the threat it posed to Americans?

What about American greed? American drone attacks? Or is it just Netanyahu on your radar. Israel has a right to defend itself

FindItHardTozmakeFriends · 15/12/2025 11:47

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 11:27

You do know the person who grabbed the gun off the shooter was a muslim, right?

As he was running toward the terrorist he was probably thinking to himself “I’m sick of these people giving us Muslims a bad name and I’m not going to let this happen. I just want to live in peace in Australia”.

The majority of Muslims are probably sick of this shit too.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:48

xmasstress12 · 15/12/2025 11:46

Netanyahu and his actions have put a target on the backs of ordinary Jews across the world.

So by that logic the UK public attacks were to be expected and so are future ones?

Yes, it's funny how Jews cannot be innocent victims. According to some on here.

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 11:50

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I’m not surprised it was deleted.

TidyCrow · 15/12/2025 11:51

Just like a thread about antisemitism (and, in particular, how the OP considers it evident on Mumsnet) shouldn't require anyone to chime in with comments about Israel, nor should it require anyone to share their thoughts on Islam/Muslims.

anotherside · 15/12/2025 11:51

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/12/2025 10:47

It shocks me that religious leaders of other religious, particularly that of attackers, do not come out in force to denounce the actions of the murderers

“muslim community australia“

Typing that into Google and a two minute glance at the results in the first page gets about five high profile Muslim groups in Australia all condemning the attack in strongest terms and expressing grief - as you would expect. Did you expect to see them on the front page of the Sun/ Daily Mail? Not likely.

Islamic extremists/nasty idiots with guns aren’t the only ones intent on sowing division …

LeonMccogh · 15/12/2025 11:51

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:48

Yes, it's funny how Jews cannot be innocent victims. According to some on here.

That’s quite literally what I meant! Some poor person in Bondi or Manchester or wherever isn’t responsible for the Israeli government are they?

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