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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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NorwegianinLondon1 · 16/12/2025 13:17

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Agree

inamarina · 16/12/2025 13:20

Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 10:36

@TheTamerShrew I can see what you are trying to do but the tone of your opening post comes across as very self important and lecturing. This site is used by thousands of people all who will have a different view and experience of racism. That’s why it’s such an emotionally loaded topic. Why do you think you have the need to ask people to reflect etc. ?

Would you berate any other poster for wanting to discuss racism and/or prejudice directed at any other minority group?
Would you tell them they sounded self important and lecturing because they were asking people to reflect on a current issue?

Cleikumstovies · 16/12/2025 13:22

The UK government are trying to define "inslampobia" in a way that can be adopted as law but not "law ". The is already a definition of " anti semitism".

Why not cut and paste?

Cerezo · 16/12/2025 13:23

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Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 13:23

inamarina · 16/12/2025 13:20

Would you berate any other poster for wanting to discuss racism and/or prejudice directed at any other minority group?
Would you tell them they sounded self important and lecturing because they were asking people to reflect on a current issue?

Yes I would

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 13:25

FunMustard · 16/12/2025 13:13

As you're referring to my post - can you elaborate please?

Oh gosh it's a bit of a long story...! Dideon says the thread can be summed up as: debate on anti semitism leads to the "not in a vacuum" finger-pointing at Israel, which then leads to accusations of antisemitism. I agree that this is exactly how the thread has gone, but share your viewpoint that not understanding why this perspective is antisemitic is a real problem, and one that many PPs simply cannot grasp, unfortunately.

Humdingerydoo · 16/12/2025 13:26

SpaceRaccoon · 16/12/2025 13:16

I've noticed a lot of this. People who consider themselves fundamentally good, and would therefore never condone such actions, but hate Israel and support Palestine (and sneakily, Hamas), so the only way to mentally deal with it is with all the stuff about denying the sexual atrocities, claiming most of the deaths were friendly fire etc, all those other conspiracy theories.

That could easily have been me if I hadn't seen actual attack footage, but there was no denying my way around that.

"That could easily have been me if I hadn't seen actual attack footage, but there was no denying my way around that."

I feel like you weren't trying hard enough then! Others have seen the same footage and STILL refuse to accept it. So obviously you need to try harder next time, k? Maybe enroll in some mental gymnastics classes! I've seen some great results of those on MN - Someone over on CITME is guaranteed to be able to signpost you in the right direction!

Have you seen the people claiming the massacre on Bondi Beach was actually done by Israel? Their proof is that one of the murderers names was googled loads in Israel at like noon or something on the day of the massacre, so before it happened. Obviously these idiots have forgotten about time zones 😂😂😂😂 so noon (or whatever time the Google spike actually was) Israel time would have been after the massacre in real time.

Useful idiots, and then some.

CircleSquared · 16/12/2025 13:29

I keep coming back to this thread to look at the percentages of votes which are very reassuring.

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 13:30

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So any Jewish person around the world is responsible for Israel and her policies? Even if they are a ten year old on a beach, or a Holocaust survivor? And people can't see what is wrong with this? You think that's objective?

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 13:33

It's the people trying to rationalise the massacre I don't get? Why not agree it was awful and vile and undeserved, without bringing Israel or Gaza into it? This doesn't happen with other terrorist attacks, why this one?

Dideon · 16/12/2025 13:33

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EasternStandard · 16/12/2025 13:33

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 13:30

So any Jewish person around the world is responsible for Israel and her policies? Even if they are a ten year old on a beach, or a Holocaust survivor? And people can't see what is wrong with this? You think that's objective?

Yes I’m interested too.

Dideon · 16/12/2025 13:35

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Littlebuddh · 16/12/2025 13:36

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I dont understand what your saying tbh.
Its awful whats happened just awful 😢.

Yes i watch gb news it's not a new thing.
To me it's better that watching the BBC when they constantly lie.
We are all different.

FunMustard · 16/12/2025 13:36

@Beachtastic thanks I was having trouble parsing what you meant!

Holluschickie · 16/12/2025 13:37

Indian media now reporting that the older terrorist was Indian. Which is unexpected
Radicalised online, I expect.

www.ndtv.com/world-news/bondi-beach-shooting-australia-shooting-sajid-akram-1-of-2-sydney-beach-shooters-was-from-hyderabad-carries-indian-passport-cops-9825754

SpaceRaccoon · 16/12/2025 13:40

Littlebuddh · 16/12/2025 13:36

I dont understand what your saying tbh.
Its awful whats happened just awful 😢.

Yes i watch gb news it's not a new thing.
To me it's better that watching the BBC when they constantly lie.
We are all different.

I think people might want to be careful about slagging off GBNews too much, given that the BBC employed this delight of a man, now claiming that the Bondi attack was carried out by Mossad:

https://x.com/fayedfa/status/2000158475628765682

Fayed Abushammalah. فايد أبو شمالة (@fayedfa) on X

بصمات الموساد الصهيوني في سدني المكان والزمان والطريقة في هجوم سدني تحقق ما يريده نتنياهو قبل زيارته لأمريكا. سيوفر هجوم سدني مجموعة من الصور يحملها نتنياهو معه إلى ميامي ويوزعها على الجاليات اليهودية في أمريكا والعالم. وهنا يمكن فهم سر التوقي...

https://x.com/fayedfa/status/2000158475628765682

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 13:41

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What are you saying then? Because this is how it reads to be honest. Why does Israel or Gaza need to be mentioned at all? What do these poor victims have to do with a war happening thousands of miles away?

I honestly don't have a chip on my shoulder, I freely admit I'm baffled by this mindset.

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 13:45

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But it's not being "bandied about to shut down debate." It is the whole point of this thread. I'm not deriding you for having a different opinion, I'm just concerned that you/others don't seem to understand why "but Gaza!" (posted so often here) is an antisemitic response to the events in Australia. Far from shutting down debate, many PPs, including myself, have tried to explain this as clearly as possible. If you still don't get it, I'm not sure what else to say really.

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 13:55

NorwegianinLondon1 · 16/12/2025 13:17

Agree

Please spell out why you agree.

What justifies hatred of innocent Jewish people?

(Clue: there is nothing)

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 13:56

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 13:33

It's the people trying to rationalise the massacre I don't get? Why not agree it was awful and vile and undeserved, without bringing Israel or Gaza into it? This doesn't happen with other terrorist attacks, why this one?

Yup

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 13:57

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 13:30

So any Jewish person around the world is responsible for Israel and her policies? Even if they are a ten year old on a beach, or a Holocaust survivor? And people can't see what is wrong with this? You think that's objective?

This. There is no rational connection.

The only connection is hating all Jewish people.

Dideon · 16/12/2025 13:57

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 13:41

What are you saying then? Because this is how it reads to be honest. Why does Israel or Gaza need to be mentioned at all? What do these poor victims have to do with a war happening thousands of miles away?

I honestly don't have a chip on my shoulder, I freely admit I'm baffled by this mindset.

Ok then , 2 men carried out a horrific attack on innocent people celebrating Hanukkah on an Australian beach .

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 13:58

SpaceRaccoon · 16/12/2025 13:40

I think people might want to be careful about slagging off GBNews too much, given that the BBC employed this delight of a man, now claiming that the Bondi attack was carried out by Mossad:

https://x.com/fayedfa/status/2000158475628765682

One news org being crap doesn't make other ones good.

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