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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

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Dideon · 16/12/2025 13:58

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 13:45

But it's not being "bandied about to shut down debate." It is the whole point of this thread. I'm not deriding you for having a different opinion, I'm just concerned that you/others don't seem to understand why "but Gaza!" (posted so often here) is an antisemitic response to the events in Australia. Far from shutting down debate, many PPs, including myself, have tried to explain this as clearly as possible. If you still don't get it, I'm not sure what else to say really.

Ok then , 2 men carried out a horrific attack on innocent people celebrating Hanukkah on an Australian beach .

SpaceRaccoon · 16/12/2025 14:01

KateShugakIsALegend · 16/12/2025 13:58

One news org being crap doesn't make other ones good.

I never said it did, I said perhaps not be so sniffy about one specifically - and I'd argue that I'd rather be associated with roundabout-painters than terrorist supporters.

sabababa · 16/12/2025 14:04

whymadam · 16/12/2025 13:06

I can't comment on the marches but the rest of your comment disgusts me. Very small percentage, eh? The Gaza genocide is one of the leading causes of child death in the world atm. There are official figures online. If you can bear to read them.

That makes no statistical sense whatsoever. Nearly 5 million children under 5 die each year in the world. And "gaza genocide" is not a cause of death - the main causes of death are still neonatal causes, pneumonia, malaria, diarrhoea, congential illnesses, HIV, measles etc. Numbers simply do not add up and those are NOT official figures unless you mean Hamas figures.

And how can it be the leading cause of child death at the moment when there is a ceasefire? Sudan, on the other hand, yep, still active and many children dying there. crickets

NC543210 · 16/12/2025 14:05

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@cerezo
That is the most pathetic thing I have read on MN for a while.

Hope you gave yourself a big pat on the back after while laughing to yourself 🙄

25milesfromhome · 16/12/2025 14:06

The Jews are tired.

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
Littlebuddh · 16/12/2025 14:09

SpaceRaccoon · 16/12/2025 13:40

I think people might want to be careful about slagging off GBNews too much, given that the BBC employed this delight of a man, now claiming that the Bondi attack was carried out by Mossad:

https://x.com/fayedfa/status/2000158475628765682

Ive been told of many times on MN, because I said I watch GBnews.
Its like you have to like what all other netters like and watch, silly tbh.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:10

inamarina · 16/12/2025 13:20

Would you berate any other poster for wanting to discuss racism and/or prejudice directed at any other minority group?
Would you tell them they sounded self important and lecturing because they were asking people to reflect on a current issue?

Well quite!
would this poster think it appropriate to question a poc poster for wishing to discuss racism that effects them personally? No .
but obviously people feel entitled to tell Jewish people that … it’s either, in their heads …. Not that bad…. Isn’t as bad as other racism…..but Gaza .

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 14:10

Dideon · 16/12/2025 13:58

Ok then , 2 men carried out a horrific attack on innocent people celebrating Hanukkah on an Australian beach .

Not just two ordinary men, though. It looks as though they were trained by ISIS, so might well have carried out a similar attack with or without the Gaza war as an inciting influence; they're not even Palestinian. I understand your "not in a vacuum" point, but the Gaza war is irrelevant against a history of genocidal intent towards Jews that long pre-dated it. Antisemitism is intensifying and becoming more violent here in the UK, as well as in places like Australia, and the "but Gaza" response helps to perpetuate it.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:13

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She was 10.

Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 14:14

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:10

Well quite!
would this poster think it appropriate to question a poc poster for wishing to discuss racism that effects them personally? No .
but obviously people feel entitled to tell Jewish people that … it’s either, in their heads …. Not that bad…. Isn’t as bad as other racism…..but Gaza .

I’m the poster you are referring to. Do you know my ethnicity and religion or that of my family ? No. So stop insinuating

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:15

Littlebuddh · 16/12/2025 13:36

I dont understand what your saying tbh.
Its awful whats happened just awful 😢.

Yes i watch gb news it's not a new thing.
To me it's better that watching the BBC when they constantly lie.
We are all different.

Ignore them it’s the new bigotry to slander people and try to shut down their opinions.

inamarina · 16/12/2025 14:16

Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 13:23

Yes I would

Fair enough, I suppose.
Not something I would choose to do.

Dideon · 16/12/2025 14:17

Beachtastic · 16/12/2025 14:10

Not just two ordinary men, though. It looks as though they were trained by ISIS, so might well have carried out a similar attack with or without the Gaza war as an inciting influence; they're not even Palestinian. I understand your "not in a vacuum" point, but the Gaza war is irrelevant against a history of genocidal intent towards Jews that long pre-dated it. Antisemitism is intensifying and becoming more violent here in the UK, as well as in places like Australia, and the "but Gaza" response helps to perpetuate it.

We are both very aware of the genocide against Jews however you call the genocide being carried out in Gaza “The Gaza War” ?

EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 14:18

Look, the two things are clearly not unrelated. Events in Israel always trigger a widespread increase in antisemitism.

But there are several other things that I think posters are trying to point out:

  1. Israel is not culpable for the attendant rise in antisemitism. It's just the raison du jour. Antisemites are responsible for antisemitism.

  2. The undertone from some posters has been 'what do you expect would happen after Gaza' - this is being challenged.While it is true that attacks like 9/11 etc triggered increase in hate and violence against muslims (and as equally unacceptable), the degree and virulence of violence and hate that is triggered against Jews worldwide by events in Israel is at a level unseen by any other community, and is arguably unique. So the 'what would you expect would happen when members of your faith are doing x y z' just doesn't match what is seen in parallel circumstances.

  3. Outside of mumsnet, comments on posts about terror attacks on Jews are invariable spammed with 'free palestine' and worse. Totally inappropriate. The dressed up version of this is seen on mumsnet, when posters post about attacks, and condolence posts are qualified with we condemn what happened and we also condemn what is happening in Gaza. It's totally inappropriate at the very least. It reads as being unable to express any empathy for Jews unless Gaza is also shoehorned in.

  4. Any attempt to discuss the above is frequently met with 'criticism of Israel is not antisemitism'. It's used to shut down conversation.

  5. Government inaction, unchecked antisemitic slogans at marches (globalise the intifada etc), poor policing and low prosecution rates are also hugely contributing to the rise of antisemitism. This part is frequently glossed over, or point 4 is made.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:20

Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 14:14

I’m the poster you are referring to. Do you know my ethnicity and religion or that of my family ? No. So stop insinuating

Well the op of this post is Jewish as are many others here , if you can’t understand or empathise then perhaps you shouldn’t have posted what you did.

whymadam · 16/12/2025 14:22

sabababa · 16/12/2025 14:04

That makes no statistical sense whatsoever. Nearly 5 million children under 5 die each year in the world. And "gaza genocide" is not a cause of death - the main causes of death are still neonatal causes, pneumonia, malaria, diarrhoea, congential illnesses, HIV, measles etc. Numbers simply do not add up and those are NOT official figures unless you mean Hamas figures.

And how can it be the leading cause of child death at the moment when there is a ceasefire? Sudan, on the other hand, yep, still active and many children dying there. crickets

Oh, silly me, I didn't count and add on the additional number of children in Gaza who have died over the last 2 years - and who are STILL DYING - of neonatal causes, pneumonia, malaria, diarrhoea, congenital illness, HIV, measels ETC. Add those dying of malnutrition, from injurues, inadequate medical assistance, in the stampedes to get food, from the freezing cold, and the mothers and babies in childbirth. Hang on, you can probs subtract the ones dying of malaria because it's winter, but add on more for the deaths during the 'ceasefire'. Do the maths and go and take a long, hard look at yourself.

Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 14:22

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:20

Well the op of this post is Jewish as are many others here , if you can’t understand or empathise then perhaps you shouldn’t have posted what you did.

My criticism was about tone. I’m perfectly allowed to do that regardless of what race or religion you think I am.

Dideon · 16/12/2025 14:22

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jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:24

Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 14:22

My criticism was about tone. I’m perfectly allowed to do that regardless of what race or religion you think I am.

I don’t care! , this post is about Jewish people who are once again being attacked and harassed, my sympathies lie with them at this time! 🤷‍♀️

EllaDisenchanted · 16/12/2025 14:25

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No, you haven't guessed correctly, not that it's relevant.

Is that literally all you have to say?

Sidebeforeself · 16/12/2025 14:25

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:24

I don’t care! , this post is about Jewish people who are once again being attacked and harassed, my sympathies lie with them at this time! 🤷‍♀️

Mine too! 🤷‍♀️

IAmAHomewardBounder · 16/12/2025 14:26

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What on earth has @EllaDisenchanted 's political view got to do with a massacre on a breach in Australia?

@EllaDisenchanted, thank you for articulating perfectly how I feel.

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:26

From your tone I would guess you think the mass killings of Jewish people is not only acceptable but deserved.
obviously my post was for @Dideon

Dideon · 16/12/2025 14:27

sabababa · 16/12/2025 14:04

That makes no statistical sense whatsoever. Nearly 5 million children under 5 die each year in the world. And "gaza genocide" is not a cause of death - the main causes of death are still neonatal causes, pneumonia, malaria, diarrhoea, congential illnesses, HIV, measles etc. Numbers simply do not add up and those are NOT official figures unless you mean Hamas figures.

And how can it be the leading cause of child death at the moment when there is a ceasefire? Sudan, on the other hand, yep, still active and many children dying there. crickets

Did you just write that ???

Dideon · 16/12/2025 14:30

jeffgoldblum · 16/12/2025 14:26

From your tone I would guess you think the mass killings of Jewish people is not only acceptable but deserved.
obviously my post was for @Dideon

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ah please go ahead and find anywhere that anything like that has been said by me !!!

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