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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 12:07

It was cold blooded murder of innocent Jewish people. It’s antisemitism hatred

how anyone feels about the war does not need to be announced while discussing this atrocity

but it is totally relevant that anti semitism has increased since the war started and has festered in many countries for years and now we can all see with our very eyes how bad it is

KimberleyClark · 15/12/2025 12:07

Here is the response of NewYork governor elect Zohran Mamdani, who has been called anti semitic on here.

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:08

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:05

It's not the only conflict in the world. It's the only one where unconnected people seem to be collectively blamed.

There is a growing dislike for Arab's (and therefore Muslim's) over Sudan as well due to the involvement of the UAE. I don't know that it will reach the same point as the current situation for Jews, but then some people just want any excuse.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:08

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:02

Qur’an 98:6

“Indeed, those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell… They are the worst of creatures.”

Just one example.

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That is open to interpretation and you have interpreted it as sub-human. Another person wouldn't. In literature women are often described as "beautiful creatures"

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:08

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:28

Ok and I don’t see how that changes the fact that Islamic terrorism is a massive threat.

Terrorism from flag shaggers is a massive threat. Terrorism from incels is a massive threat.

All have the same thing in common.....men! Violent men using their hatred for certain groups in order to justify their abuse towards said group.

The problem is men, not Muslims.

anotherside · 15/12/2025 12:09

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 12:03

What are you trying to achieve here?

See my statement from that post: Atrocities against civilians are never justified, regardless of where they occur or who the perpetrators are. That being the case I don’t believe that one despicable act should used as a justification for previous (or future) despicable acts, which is what Netanyahu - and some of his supporters on here - are trying to imply is the case.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:09

KimberleyClark · 15/12/2025 12:07

Here is the response of NewYork governor elect Zohran Mamdani, who has been called anti semitic on here.

That's the response of a real leader.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 12:09

KimberleyClark · 15/12/2025 12:07

Here is the response of NewYork governor elect Zohran Mamdani, who has been called anti semitic on here.

Well he doesn't name the problem there, does he? I'll grant he does name name who the victims are.

BadgernTheGarden · 15/12/2025 12:10

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There are a lot of Muslims in India. I worked with some as well as Hindus and Jains.

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:11

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:08

That is open to interpretation and you have interpreted it as sub-human. Another person wouldn't. In literature women are often described as "beautiful creatures"

Here we go with the mental gymnastics 😂. “Worst of creatures isn’t necessarily bad”. Oh okay.

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:11

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:08

Terrorism from flag shaggers is a massive threat. Terrorism from incels is a massive threat.

All have the same thing in common.....men! Violent men using their hatred for certain groups in order to justify their abuse towards said group.

The problem is men, not Muslims.

Precisely this. But some will use any excuse to attack certain groups. Terrorism is a massive issue that needs to be dealt with, any form of terrorism. But for some what that means is anyone from certain religions or ethnicities need to be dealt with.

Ketzele · 15/12/2025 12:12

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:02

It is difficult not to risk the accusation of antisemitism when you view this event in the context of the war that is currently being waged in Gaza in which tens of thousands(?) of Palestinians have been killed. I find it really complex because I think the Bondi murders are horrific and I also can't help thinking of what the Palestinian people have endured and continue to endure while we become inured to their suffering and the sheer scale of the numbers involved, the way they were starved, eye witness reports of children being shot in the head and groin. It is all so impossible to make sense of when you witness what human beings are capable of. We don't want Jewish people to fear for their lives and we know that will continue to be a threat as long as what is going on in Gaza continues, and will probably continue as retaliatory gesture even when it is over. Most of us just want it all to stop, but that currently seems like a naive desire, albeit a heartfelt one.

Why am I any more responsible for Netanyahu's actions than you are?

Do you also think it is hard to condemn ani-Muslim racism "in the context of" what the Taliban are doing to women?

And do you really believe that people are only anti-semitic because of Israel? Do you understand the difference between cause and excuse?

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 12:12

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 12:09

Well he doesn't name the problem there, does he? I'll grant he does name name who the victims are.

Hmm those ‘men with long guns’ what is their action called?

Sparklybutold · 15/12/2025 12:13

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YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:13

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 12:09

Well he doesn't name the problem there, does he? I'll grant he does name name who the victims are.

He called it anti-Semitism, what other problem are you expecting him to highlight exactly?

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:13

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:05

It's not the only conflict in the world. It's the only one where unconnected people seem to be collectively blamed.

All acts of terrorism (if you choose to call it that) follow this pattern. We got a taste of it in the UK during "The Troubles".

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:14

Ketzele · 15/12/2025 12:12

Why am I any more responsible for Netanyahu's actions than you are?

Do you also think it is hard to condemn ani-Muslim racism "in the context of" what the Taliban are doing to women?

And do you really believe that people are only anti-semitic because of Israel? Do you understand the difference between cause and excuse?

We're not. We're innocent. As are the many individuals, families, workers etc who have died in Gaza.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/12/2025 12:15

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:08

Terrorism from flag shaggers is a massive threat. Terrorism from incels is a massive threat.

All have the same thing in common.....men! Violent men using their hatred for certain groups in order to justify their abuse towards said group.

The problem is men, not Muslims.

That's weird because I looked up Islamist terrorist attacks globally over the last few decades, and frankly the incels and "flag shaggers"* have a lot of catching up to do if they want to catch up to deaths in the hundreds of thousands.

*Biggest flag shaggers to me appear to be the twats that disrupted city centres with their Palestine flags every Saturday for two years.

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:16

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Yes white Christian men in the UK are causing so many issues - more so than Muslim men. And yet the main grooming gangs in the UK are white Christian men and the same men are running rampage in the UK abusing women and girls treating them as sub human.

Terrorist attacks are also common - standing outside hotels trying to terrorise those inside are a daily thing. Burning some is also something they like to do.

And yet you refuse to accept they are a problem.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:16

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:11

Here we go with the mental gymnastics 😂. “Worst of creatures isn’t necessarily bad”. Oh okay.

Well, the original interpretation is also mental gymnastics. Ancient texts are full of these archaic ideas. Read the bible.

nomas · 15/12/2025 12:16

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:02

Qur’an 98:6

“Indeed, those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell… They are the worst of creatures.”

Just one example.

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I don't think selective quoting helps anyone. The Bible tells people to kill non-believers. We should be beyond this. What is needed is calmness, not people stoking hatred.

Leviticus 24:16
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:16

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:08

There is a growing dislike for Arab's (and therefore Muslim's) over Sudan as well due to the involvement of the UAE. I don't know that it will reach the same point as the current situation for Jews, but then some people just want any excuse.

True. I hope that innocent Muslim families in the UK do not become victims of an atrocity because of events in Sudan.

rileybelle · 15/12/2025 12:17

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Not wishing to derail the thread, but India has a long history of persecution of religious minorities, notwithstanding the Hinduvta religiously motivated attacks.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2022-0042/

Muslim fundamentalist terrorism is a worldwide problem. The war in Gaza has recruited many many useful idiots who don't understand the background or nuance of the situation in Israel.

Let's not forget, October 7th was a terrorist attack on civilians. If the IRA had attacked Glastonbury, murdered and taken hostage thousands of people and children, would the UK look benignly on at Ireland?

People have forgotten how to debate, how to recognise valid points on the opposite side and understand each other's point of view. We have descended into black and white thinking where we are incapable of admitting that we may be incorrect when presented with new information.

BadgernTheGarden · 15/12/2025 12:18

It's just hatred, it's easy to focus hatred on identifiable groups that you can spot by racial characteristics or religious attendance. These people would find someone to hate and to blame for all their problems anyway, it can't be them and it has to be someone's fault, so pick a group to focus your hate on.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2025 12:18

A small point, I know, but it seems especially sickening that the mother and wife of the killers thought this a good time to start mewling about her son being "a good boy"

Given the hate that must have been shared between father and son I wonder what kind of conversations took place in that home, and what she too might have turned a blind eye to

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/mother-of-alleged-bondi-killer-anyone-would-wish-to-have-a-son-like-mine-hes-a-good-boy/

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