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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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1dayatatime · 15/12/2025 11:52

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:27

And all the Free Palestine mob have blood on their hands. They have poured fuel on the fire. Every Jew online gets called a Zionist. Even if they categorically state otherwise. Useful bloody idiots.

Look she comment section of ANY Jew on TikTok. It’s appalling.

Sikhs stand with Jews

When was the last extremist Sikh terrorist attack in the UK?

I will never forget the scene after the July 7th tube attack of Sikhs coming out of a nearby Gurdwara and providing bottles of water to the victims.

Sikhs are without doubt the best example of successful integration, known for being hard-working, peaceful, and community-oriented.

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 11:52

I haven't seen much anti-semitism since the attacks, more rallying around the Jewish community which is positive, however I have seen quite a lot of anti-Islamic bullshit. I saw a post about the pigs heads at the cemetery and the comments were horrific.

None of it is acceptable. People don't seem to be able to separate their feelings towards the Israeli government and Jewish people. Same as people cannot separate their feelings towards the Palestinian people and Hamas. And Muslims and 9/11 et al. And so on. People need to understand that not everyone who has a certain faith, background or ethnicity are related to certain beliefs or incidences. And your feelings towards the behaviour of a government or terrorist group should not be attributed to innocent people. I think the world's media and social media have a lot to blame in this, they know how to whip up hatred and the more they do so, the more we will see such atrocities.

I feel for anyone affected. This is an awful situation and I cannot see how it is going to end. There is so much hatred around right now. But even when you report certain things on social media, they don't remove it.

MaturingCheeseball · 15/12/2025 11:52

How do the “But.. Israel” posters see 9/11, 7/7, Ariana Grande concert, Bataclan etc etc etc? Are the victims of those “responsible” too?

spottybaghottyhag · 15/12/2025 11:53

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Where does it say that in Islam non Muslims are subhuman?

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:54

MaturingCheeseball · 15/12/2025 11:52

How do the “But.. Israel” posters see 9/11, 7/7, Ariana Grande concert, Bataclan etc etc etc? Are the victims of those “responsible” too?

Funnily enough, no.

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:54

FindItHardTozmakeFriends · 15/12/2025 11:47

As he was running toward the terrorist he was probably thinking to himself “I’m sick of these people giving us Muslims a bad name and I’m not going to let this happen. I just want to live in peace in Australia”.

The majority of Muslims are probably sick of this shit too.

I wouldn’t be so sure.

In a 2024 UK poll about 75% of Muslim respondents believed Hamas did NOT commit murder and rape on October 7 in Israel.

And around 46% of British Muslim respondents were described as sympathising with Hamas.

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 11:55

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:43

Only by people looking for an excuse. I hate what's happening to women in Iran. I don't target my Muslim neighbour and hold him responsible.

Precisely what I was trying to say, but more much more succinctly.

However, even on this thread there is an undercurrent of anti-Semitism and anti-Islamic feeling.

moneyadviceplease · 15/12/2025 11:56

Cronte · 15/12/2025 11:27

And all the Free Palestine mob have blood on their hands. They have poured fuel on the fire. Every Jew online gets called a Zionist. Even if they categorically state otherwise. Useful bloody idiots.

Look she comment section of ANY Jew on TikTok. It’s appalling.

Sikhs stand with Jews

And there’s nothing wrong with being Zionist. It’s the belief in the existence of the state of Israel simple as that

dairydebris · 15/12/2025 11:56

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You were deleted for saying this as it's antisemitic and victim blaming.
BN hasnt put a target on Jewish backs, antisemites have.
You're the problem.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:56

LeonMccogh · 15/12/2025 11:51

That’s quite literally what I meant! Some poor person in Bondi or Manchester or wherever isn’t responsible for the Israeli government are they?

Absolutely! I'm in agreement. Others on here continue to blame the Jews. Victim blaming at it's worst.

nomas · 15/12/2025 11:57

What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

Who has said this?

It was undoubtedly an anti-Semitic murderous attack and should be condemned by all as such.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 11:57

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 11:55

Precisely what I was trying to say, but more much more succinctly.

However, even on this thread there is an undercurrent of anti-Semitism and anti-Islamic feeling.

Very true. The other thread as well.

anotherside · 15/12/2025 11:59

1dayatatime · 15/12/2025 11:52

When was the last extremist Sikh terrorist attack in the UK?

I will never forget the scene after the July 7th tube attack of Sikhs coming out of a nearby Gurdwara and providing bottles of water to the victims.

Sikhs are without doubt the best example of successful integration, known for being hard-working, peaceful, and community-oriented.

Pretty much the entirety of the Republic of Ireland is appalled by the murderous actions of the Israeli government. As are the majority of people in the Netherlands, Spaniards, Italians, Scandinavians etc. As is the majority of the civilised world of which the leaders of the US and the UK for some reason still fantasise themselves as leaders of. Are they all part of the “mob”? Atrocities against civilians are never justified, regardless of where they occur or who the perpetrators are. That’s something the pro Israeli government mob for some reason like to selectively ignore.

A reminder:
On 21 November 2024, following an investigation of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the International Criminal Court(ICC) issued arrest warrants for two senior Israeli officials, Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel, alleging responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war.[1][2] The warrant against Netanyahu is the first against the leader of a Western-backed democratic country for war crimes.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 12:00

MaturingCheeseball · 15/12/2025 11:52

How do the “But.. Israel” posters see 9/11, 7/7, Ariana Grande concert, Bataclan etc etc etc? Are the victims of those “responsible” too?

Also, only last week there was (yet another) terror attack on a Christmas market foiled in Germany:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dz7r708dxo.amp

I wonder who had “put targets on people’s backs” in that case.

Stock image of the back of a German police officer

Five arrested over plot to attack German Christmas market - BBC News

Local media says one of the suspects is an imam at a mosque, and police allege he "called for a vehicle attack".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dz7r708dxo.amp

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 12:02

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 11:52

I haven't seen much anti-semitism since the attacks, more rallying around the Jewish community which is positive, however I have seen quite a lot of anti-Islamic bullshit. I saw a post about the pigs heads at the cemetery and the comments were horrific.

None of it is acceptable. People don't seem to be able to separate their feelings towards the Israeli government and Jewish people. Same as people cannot separate their feelings towards the Palestinian people and Hamas. And Muslims and 9/11 et al. And so on. People need to understand that not everyone who has a certain faith, background or ethnicity are related to certain beliefs or incidences. And your feelings towards the behaviour of a government or terrorist group should not be attributed to innocent people. I think the world's media and social media have a lot to blame in this, they know how to whip up hatred and the more they do so, the more we will see such atrocities.

I feel for anyone affected. This is an awful situation and I cannot see how it is going to end. There is so much hatred around right now. But even when you report certain things on social media, they don't remove it.

I haven't seen much anti-semitism since the attacks, more rallying around the Jewish community which is positive
I've seen the exact reverse, including on MN where immediately post 7/10 there was an avalanche of "but Israel deserved it" taunts and blatant Hamas propaganda that went on for ever. It shocked me to my core.

I think the world's media and social media have a lot to blame in this, they know how to whip up hatred
This is true, but what really whips up anger is the violent acts of Islamic terrorists. We're heartily sick of all the stabbings, bombings, shootings, beheadings, cars being driven into markets, etc, and sick of bracing ourselves for the next one.

It's a tiny minority that commit these atrocities, and they in no way reflect the Muslim community as a whole, so we need to be able to flush them out and deal with them. How?

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:02

spottybaghottyhag · 15/12/2025 11:53

Where does it say that in Islam non Muslims are subhuman?

Qur’an 98:6

“Indeed, those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell… They are the worst of creatures.”

Just one example.

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:02

It is difficult not to risk the accusation of antisemitism when you view this event in the context of the war that is currently being waged in Gaza in which tens of thousands(?) of Palestinians have been killed. I find it really complex because I think the Bondi murders are horrific and I also can't help thinking of what the Palestinian people have endured and continue to endure while we become inured to their suffering and the sheer scale of the numbers involved, the way they were starved, eye witness reports of children being shot in the head and groin. It is all so impossible to make sense of when you witness what human beings are capable of. We don't want Jewish people to fear for their lives and we know that will continue to be a threat as long as what is going on in Gaza continues, and will probably continue as retaliatory gesture even when it is over. Most of us just want it all to stop, but that currently seems like a naive desire, albeit a heartfelt one.

Beachtastic · 15/12/2025 12:03

anotherside · 15/12/2025 11:59

Pretty much the entirety of the Republic of Ireland is appalled by the murderous actions of the Israeli government. As are the majority of people in the Netherlands, Spaniards, Italians, Scandinavians etc. As is the majority of the civilised world of which the leaders of the US and the UK for some reason still fantasise themselves as leaders of. Are they all part of the “mob”? Atrocities against civilians are never justified, regardless of where they occur or who the perpetrators are. That’s something the pro Israeli government mob for some reason like to selectively ignore.

A reminder:
On 21 November 2024, following an investigation of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the International Criminal Court(ICC) issued arrest warrants for two senior Israeli officials, Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel, alleging responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war.[1][2] The warrant against Netanyahu is the first against the leader of a Western-backed democratic country for war crimes.

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What are you trying to achieve here?

EasternStandard · 15/12/2025 12:03

dairydebris · 15/12/2025 11:56

You were deleted for saying this as it's antisemitic and victim blaming.
BN hasnt put a target on Jewish backs, antisemites have.
You're the problem.

Agree, look to the people doing the attacks.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:05

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:02

It is difficult not to risk the accusation of antisemitism when you view this event in the context of the war that is currently being waged in Gaza in which tens of thousands(?) of Palestinians have been killed. I find it really complex because I think the Bondi murders are horrific and I also can't help thinking of what the Palestinian people have endured and continue to endure while we become inured to their suffering and the sheer scale of the numbers involved, the way they were starved, eye witness reports of children being shot in the head and groin. It is all so impossible to make sense of when you witness what human beings are capable of. We don't want Jewish people to fear for their lives and we know that will continue to be a threat as long as what is going on in Gaza continues, and will probably continue as retaliatory gesture even when it is over. Most of us just want it all to stop, but that currently seems like a naive desire, albeit a heartfelt one.

It's not the only conflict in the world. It's the only one where unconnected people seem to be collectively blamed.

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/12/2025 12:06

inamarina · 15/12/2025 12:00

Also, only last week there was (yet another) terror attack on a Christmas market foiled in Germany:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dz7r708dxo.amp

I wonder who had “put targets on people’s backs” in that case.

Are people blaming ordinary Germans for this?
It would seem not.

inamarina · 15/12/2025 12:06

AbbaCadaBra · 15/12/2025 12:02

It is difficult not to risk the accusation of antisemitism when you view this event in the context of the war that is currently being waged in Gaza in which tens of thousands(?) of Palestinians have been killed. I find it really complex because I think the Bondi murders are horrific and I also can't help thinking of what the Palestinian people have endured and continue to endure while we become inured to their suffering and the sheer scale of the numbers involved, the way they were starved, eye witness reports of children being shot in the head and groin. It is all so impossible to make sense of when you witness what human beings are capable of. We don't want Jewish people to fear for their lives and we know that will continue to be a threat as long as what is going on in Gaza continues, and will probably continue as retaliatory gesture even when it is over. Most of us just want it all to stop, but that currently seems like a naive desire, albeit a heartfelt one.

Why are you seeing Jewish people being attacked and killed on a beach in Australia in the context of the war in Gaza?

Owly11 · 15/12/2025 12:06

It is shocking times we live in when oppression and anti semitism are held up as the good, right and proper views to have and that those who oppose them are vilified. I never thought i would see this in the uk in my lifetime but here we are and it is mind boggling trying to understand how we got here.

singmoon · 15/12/2025 12:06

I haven't seen anyone saying that it's not antisemitism, and a truly terrible event.

Ketzele · 15/12/2025 12:07

Thanks for this, OP. Can I add that I don't think you can consider yourself free of racism if you think only 'good' Jews deserve protection. For example, the many posters I have seen on here reminding us that not all Jews are zionists, with the clear implication that if they were then discrimination would be fine.

Sod 'what is a woman' - it's 'what is a zionist' that we really need to sort out. For as long as some people define it as believing that Jews have a right to live in their ancestral homeland, and others define it as supporting any and all actions of the Israeli government, we will continue shouting past each other.

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