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The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.

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TheTamerShrew · 15/12/2025 09:24

I’m posting because I’m struggling with how racism against Jews is being talked about here following the recent terrorist attack in Australia. What I’ve seen, again and again, is minimisation: it wasn’t really about Jews, it was more complicated than that, let’s not jump to conclusions, other groups have it worse. All the familiar caveats come out remarkably quickly when the victims are Jewish.

I want to say clearly: racism against Jews is racism. Full stop. It doesn’t become less serious because it’s uncomfortable, politically inconvenient, or doesn’t fit neatly into how some people understand racism. And it doesn’t need to compete with other forms of racism to be real or worthy of being named.

What I find particularly painful is how often antisemitism is explained away rather than confronted. We would rightly challenge this pattern if it happened after an attack on almost any other minority group. Yet when Jews are targeted, there seems to be an urge to dilute, reframe, or downplay what’s happened.
I’d really ask people to pause and self-reflect on why that might be.

Why does naming antisemitism feel harder?
Why is there a rush to qualify it, contextualise it out of existence, or deny it altogether?
Why is Jewish fear so often treated as oversensitivity rather than a rational response to a long and very real history?

Acknowledging racism is not an accusation against everyone else. It’s the first, necessary step in confronting it. If we can’t even name antisemitism when it’s staring us in the face, we have no chance of challenging it, let alone preventing it.

We don’t make the world safer by minimising hatred. We make it safer by recognising it honestly, even when that recognition makes us uncomfortable.

I hope this can be read in the spirit it’s intended: not to shut down discussion, but to ask people to explore and self reflect.

See the attached photo: in order to become Anti-racist, one needs to first acknowledge racism

The reactions to the Bondi Beach terrorist attack has shown how racist many posters are here.
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anotherside · 15/12/2025 12:31

rileybelle · 15/12/2025 12:17

Not wishing to derail the thread, but India has a long history of persecution of religious minorities, notwithstanding the Hinduvta religiously motivated attacks.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2022-0042/

Muslim fundamentalist terrorism is a worldwide problem. The war in Gaza has recruited many many useful idiots who don't understand the background or nuance of the situation in Israel.

Let's not forget, October 7th was a terrorist attack on civilians. If the IRA had attacked Glastonbury, murdered and taken hostage thousands of people and children, would the UK look benignly on at Ireland?

People have forgotten how to debate, how to recognise valid points on the opposite side and understand each other's point of view. We have descended into black and white thinking where we are incapable of admitting that we may be incorrect when presented with new information.

If the British government murdered hundreds of thousands of Irish, inflicted famine that contributed to more than a million deaths and suppressed language and culture, would Ireland look benignly on at Britain?

Sorry but raising Ireland/Britain as an example is pretty tone deaf.

lickingfingertastingfood · 15/12/2025 12:31

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:29

Why are people even discussing Islam in relation to this attack? Where has it been confirmed that the terrorists were carrying out this action based upon their Muslim faith? Or are you just assuming because you can't help your own racist ideals?

I've got to leave this thread and Mumsnet should remove it. Rampant anti-Islamic and anti-Semitic posts all over the place. Disgusting.

It's all over the news - their dedication to ISIS.

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:32

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 12:30

No

people make a choice regardless of what world leaders say. Some Muslim clerics have said some awful things has about non Muslims that racists repeat it as justification for their racism is because it suits their agenda

enough with these excuses

White and Christian leaders have also said horrific things - why aren't you blaming them? Or does that not fit in with your agenda?

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 12:33

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:32

White and Christian leaders have also said horrific things - why aren't you blaming them? Or does that not fit in with your agenda?

My agenda ? Was to point out anti semitism and racism

what’s yours ?

littleburn · 15/12/2025 12:33

Ketzele · 15/12/2025 12:07

Thanks for this, OP. Can I add that I don't think you can consider yourself free of racism if you think only 'good' Jews deserve protection. For example, the many posters I have seen on here reminding us that not all Jews are zionists, with the clear implication that if they were then discrimination would be fine.

Sod 'what is a woman' - it's 'what is a zionist' that we really need to sort out. For as long as some people define it as believing that Jews have a right to live in their ancestral homeland, and others define it as supporting any and all actions of the Israeli government, we will continue shouting past each other.

I think most ‘anti-Zionists’ simply define it as the former, hence the ‘from the river to the sea’ and ‘Israel is a colonialist entity’ sloganeering. They simply don’t believe Israel has the right to exist. Of course they’ll still argue that isn’t the same as anti-Semitism. And yet their behaviour means record numbers of Jews no longer feel safe in the West and are actively looking to move to Israel, the one country where they know they’re welcome and will be protected. But by anti-Zionist logic that country shouldn’t exist … so where exactly are the Jews allowed to exist safely?

Greenwitchart · 15/12/2025 12:34

OP I know that everyone is upset about what happens and rightly so.

But I think it is perfectly fine to express the opinion that:

  • any antisemitic attack is horrific and unacceptable, including what happened over the weekend

And that

  • the state of Israel's behaviour towards the Palestinian population is also horrific and unacceptable. It is not antisemic to express this view.
YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:34

lickingfingertastingfood · 15/12/2025 12:31

It's all over the news - their dedication to ISIS.

I have read multiple news pages and not one has mentioned ISIS. Not the Times, Guardian, BBC or N1 in NZ. Where is the official report?

InlandTaipan · 15/12/2025 12:34

I asked that upthread. The answer was antisemitism, although that wasn't the explanation offered.

BeGladTealDog · 15/12/2025 12:34

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HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 12:35

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 11:27

You do know the person who grabbed the gun off the shooter was a muslim, right?

Apparently not. A Maronite Christian.

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:35

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 12:33

My agenda ? Was to point out anti semitism and racism

what’s yours ?

Nice try. We can all read your post and decipher what you are getting at.

I am out of here, this thread is horrific and MN should be ashamed to leave such posts up.

HRTQueen · 15/12/2025 12:36

YouAreIn · 15/12/2025 12:35

Nice try. We can all read your post and decipher what you are getting at.

I am out of here, this thread is horrific and MN should be ashamed to leave such posts up.

Still not quite sure what you are getting at but off you pop bye

FastFood · 15/12/2025 12:36

TwelvePiecesOfFlair · 15/12/2025 11:31

I am a Zionist. I wasn’t when young, but I am now, and increasingly so. It just means the belief in the existence of the state of Israel. Where the fuck can Jews go now?? Not back to Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Sudan?? Not back to Russia or Ukraine. And seemingly not to the UK or Australia. Im so angry.

Totally agree with you.

Nevereatcardboard · 15/12/2025 12:36

anotherside · 15/12/2025 11:59

Pretty much the entirety of the Republic of Ireland is appalled by the murderous actions of the Israeli government. As are the majority of people in the Netherlands, Spaniards, Italians, Scandinavians etc. As is the majority of the civilised world of which the leaders of the US and the UK for some reason still fantasise themselves as leaders of. Are they all part of the “mob”? Atrocities against civilians are never justified, regardless of where they occur or who the perpetrators are. That’s something the pro Israeli government mob for some reason like to selectively ignore.

A reminder:
On 21 November 2024, following an investigation of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the International Criminal Court(ICC) issued arrest warrants for two senior Israeli officials, Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel, alleging responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war.[1][2] The warrant against Netanyahu is the first against the leader of a Western-backed democratic country for war crimes.

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What does any of this have to do with Australian Jews being murdered on a beach in cold blood?

lickingfingertastingfood · 15/12/2025 12:37

xmasstress12 · 15/12/2025 11:46

Netanyahu and his actions have put a target on the backs of ordinary Jews across the world.

So by that logic the UK public attacks were to be expected and so are future ones?

And what about many hundreds of years ago before him? This is nothing new!

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 12:38

FastFood · 15/12/2025 12:36

Totally agree with you.

And me.

rileybelle · 15/12/2025 12:38

anotherside · 15/12/2025 12:31

If the British government murdered hundreds of thousands of Irish, inflicted famine that contributed to more than a million deaths and suppressed language and culture, would Ireland look benignly on at Britain?

Sorry but raising Ireland/Britain as an example is pretty tone deaf.

Well many blamed the Irish potato famine on Britain, and that caused millinos of deaths. And there are factions in Ireland that do not look benignly on the UK, so my analogy is not entirely inaccurate.

However, that's all that it is, an analogy. It goes back to my point that so many now display black and white thinking, to the point of almost justifying a terrorist attack on civilians. It is perfectly reasonable to be horrified at the humanitarian crisis in Israel and be critical of government policy, but to use this to minimise or justify an antisemitic attack on civilians at a religious celebration is not ok.

ChamonixMountainBum · 15/12/2025 12:38

Fetaface · 15/12/2025 12:16

Yes white Christian men in the UK are causing so many issues - more so than Muslim men. And yet the main grooming gangs in the UK are white Christian men and the same men are running rampage in the UK abusing women and girls treating them as sub human.

Terrorist attacks are also common - standing outside hotels trying to terrorise those inside are a daily thing. Burning some is also something they like to do.

And yet you refuse to accept they are a problem.

Of the 45,000 people on MI5's terror watch list, over 90% are Islamic extremists. Stop lying.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/12/2025 12:38

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/12/2025 10:47

It shocks me that religious leaders of other religious, particularly that of attackers, do not come out in force to denounce the actions of the murderers

Some of them do, ByQuaintAzureWasp, and there's already been a statement from the Australian muslim council, though very noticeably it failed to mention the word "jew" even once

There's also the excellent work many do to combat extremism within their own communities, but it'll be interesting to see what the attitude is if national authorities ever insist on more direct input such as monitoring of hate preachers in mosques, etc.

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 12:39

Nevereatcardboard · 15/12/2025 12:36

What does any of this have to do with Australian Jews being murdered on a beach in cold blood?

Absolutely nothing. That post is sheer whataboutery.

BeGladTealDog · 15/12/2025 12:39

Israel is totally surrounded by countries that wish to erase it and it's people from the face of the planet. Please let's cut them some slack.

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:39

nomas · 15/12/2025 12:28

Agreed, that poster is adept at ignoring the persecution of Muslims in India.

And many Sikhs have been calling for independence from India for decades.

And the vast majority view those Sikhs as extremest weirdos. The Khalistan movement has pretty much died in the UK.

Of course you have non-Muslims in India who don’t act favourably towards Islam. The Pakistani government harbours and supports terrorists who enter and attack India. That is a well established fact.

I’m not going to post any more on this thread as it is derailing the topic at hand.

Haemagoblin · 15/12/2025 12:39

Cronte · 15/12/2025 12:02

Qur’an 98:6

“Indeed, those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell… They are the worst of creatures.”

Just one example.

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Plenty of Christian sects also believe that anyone who does not believe in Jesus Christ will go to hell. In fact, belief being the path to salvation is pretty standard in most religions (with the notable exception of Judaism, where living a good life on earth seems to be the criteria for admission). This is not unique to or uniquely stringent in Islam.

Tooobvious · 15/12/2025 12:41

LeonMccogh · 15/12/2025 11:31

THIS.

But why do you both feel the need to even bring the actions of the Israeli government into it? Why couldn’t you just condemn the racist murders of Jewish Australians, without seizing the opportunity to display your feelings about the current Israeli government's decisions?

Meadowfinch · 15/12/2025 12:42

CurlewKate · 15/12/2025 11:05

I have absolutely no problem naming anti Semitism. I have no problem saying that the Bondi Beach atrocity was an anti Semitic attack. I also have no trouble saying that it is possible to object very strongly to the behaviour of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic.

Exactly.

The tragic thing is that the attackers equate being Jewish with being as vicious and hateful as Netanyahu, and they are not the same thing.

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