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People like this should be deborted

208 replies

Londb · 08/12/2025 20:27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74x9ln0y4qo.amp

Why is there even a chance of any of these two remaining here in the UK? They had their chance and ended up doing what they did.

*deported

Two men with dark hair in front of a grey background. One has a blue tshirt on and the other has a white T-shirt on.

Teen asylum seekers from Afghanistan sentenced for rape - BBC News

A judge has lifted reporting restrictions on naming the attackers, Jan Jahanzeb and Israr Niaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74x9ln0y4qo.amp

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BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 08:31

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 08:08

It’s a write up I’m sure you can google for whatever source you prefer.

Oh I’ve Googled it. No result for that quote. Do you have the article you’ve taken it from?

dottiehens · 09/12/2025 08:32

user1471453601 · 08/12/2025 21:10

And the British men who do this? Do we welcome them back to society because "they have served their sentence?". Or do we deport them too? If so, to where? If not, why?

the problem is not what you think. It's not immigration, it's some men in general. It's some men, and some men only.

But how does anyone differentiate dangerous men from non dangerous men? Beats me

It is both.

Barbaramcnairyouregonnalovemybaby · 09/12/2025 08:34

TeatimeForTheSoul · 09/12/2025 08:13

As the majority of rapists in this country are white British, what should we do with them? Isn’t there a place called Anthrax Island? Is it big enough to ‘deport’/house all the white British rapists?

It's off the west coast of Scotland unfortunately iirc the Anthrax threat has now dissipated.

genesis92 · 09/12/2025 08:35

user1471453601 · 08/12/2025 21:10

And the British men who do this? Do we welcome them back to society because "they have served their sentence?". Or do we deport them too? If so, to where? If not, why?

the problem is not what you think. It's not immigration, it's some men in general. It's some men, and some men only.

But how does anyone differentiate dangerous men from non dangerous men? Beats me

Ok so I’m utterly bored of seeing this ridiculous argument so I’m going to bite and respond and hopefully you’ll actually let this enter your brain.

Yes British men also commit similar crimes, unfortunately they are British so they are our responsibly to imprison and for our tax money to pay for doing so. Most normal people don’t want to import more of these criminals, when they wouldnt have been here in the first place. I don’t want my tax money spent imprisoning asylum seekers after they’ve committed heinous crimes. They should be deported back to their own country and made to suffer the consequences of their actions there.

Lastly, although British men also commit violent crimes, per capita it’s much much left than say…men from Afghanistan or Pakistan. Those men are far more likely to commit sexual crimes than British men. There’s literally so much data to prove this.

If you don’t know what per capita means, then that probably explains why you didn’t understand all this in the first place.

TeatimeForTheSoul · 09/12/2025 08:37

EmeraldShamrock000 · 09/12/2025 08:18

Unfortunately not, it's a pity as I'm sure they'd come on handy as war fodder.
What does happen to local men, is they're named, shamed, the neighbours, families, community, and their relations know the name and face, the mud sticks wherever they go, unlike non local men as their face is forgotten, so warnings can't be done.

I disagree ‘non-local’ men have their faces plastered all over the papers so become very memorable. For example I’m sure we’ve all seen plentiful coverage of these rapists and Asian grooming gangs, but can you immediately recall the details of the recent white grooming gangs? What about the local white rapists? Most of us only know a few people locally so the ‘community shaming’ no longer works.

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 08:38

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 08:31

Oh I’ve Googled it. No result for that quote. Do you have the article you’ve taken it from?

Just google what proportion of asylum seekers are deported to Afghanistan after a crime. You’ll get reams of information as I did. You can choose to read what you like.

The Guardian is mentioned in the summary btw

dottiehens · 09/12/2025 08:39

TheGrimSmile · 08/12/2025 20:32

Yaaawn 🥱🥱🥱

What a moronic contribution. Are you condoning rape of women or do you come form a country that they do not respect women?

Barbaramcnairyouregonnalovemybaby · 09/12/2025 08:40

EmeraldShamrock000 · 09/12/2025 07:29

💯 agree..I live in a very diverse community, prior to 2022, most people mixed and lived well. My nieces boyfriend born here aged 22, told to go back to Africa.
I had a rant on SM asking locals to be mindful as the communities are being damaged, thw long-term citizens are equally concerned about the level of immigration and being bullied in the mess.

And this is what will happen as racists don't differentiate poc are all fair game.
It is not racist by any means to be concerned about immigration and as a nation can't allow all and sundry to wander in but the extreme far right will use this for their own ends.

OnTheNiceishList · 09/12/2025 08:40

They should be hung in public.

TeatimeForTheSoul · 09/12/2025 08:42

@genesis92 gotta love an argument where YOU say Most normal people don’t want to …
As soon as you use that phrase you say ‘if you don’t agree with what I’m saying you are abnormal. You are other. You are different. You are less than me’
However normal is a statistical concept too. It can also mean if YOU are normal i.e. average and those who hold an alternative viewpoint are better, more evolved, more intelligent. 😁😉

soddingspiderseason · 09/12/2025 08:44

Maybe all men who rape should be deported. Irrespective of where they were born. Let’s set up a colony on some far flung island in the middle of nowhere for men who are incapable of seeing women as human beings.

OnTheNiceishList · 09/12/2025 08:46

I actually have a theory about these asylums seeking criminals.

You don’t just get off a boat and start committing crimes. You have to be a wrongun in the first place. My theory is that many of these men are on some kind of wanted list back home. Maybe they’ve pissed someone off, maybe they have been threatened with the law or someone is after them for attacking their daughter or sister. Maybe their lives are in danger back home and their option is; get your legs broken or be killed back home, or flee to Europe.

You don’t just suddenly become a rapist or murderer. It’s built over time, and in these cases that would’ve been back home for them.

PandoraSocks · 09/12/2025 08:47

OnTheNiceishList · 09/12/2025 08:40

They should be hung in public.

How will that help? Introducing public execution for rape isn't the answer.

LoveItaly · 09/12/2025 08:48

user1471453601 · 08/12/2025 21:10

And the British men who do this? Do we welcome them back to society because "they have served their sentence?". Or do we deport them too? If so, to where? If not, why?

the problem is not what you think. It's not immigration, it's some men in general. It's some men, and some men only.

But how does anyone differentiate dangerous men from non dangerous men? Beats me

We have to deal with British men that do this sort of crime because this is their country of birth, we have no choice. That shouldn’t mean that we have to take in more of the same from the rest of the world. These two, seeking sanctuary in our country, repaid us by raping a poor young girl.

Why the hell should they be allowed to stay just because British born and raised men do the same? Do you think that the UK should be the dumping ground for the world’s dross? They should serve very long sentences and then be deported immediately, in my view.

BeNoisyFish · 09/12/2025 08:49

Londb · 08/12/2025 20:27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74x9ln0y4qo.amp

Why is there even a chance of any of these two remaining here in the UK? They had their chance and ended up doing what they did.

*deported

In all countries foreigners spend time in the jail of the country where the offience took place then get deported. Have you not heard of Brits in Thai or Dubai jail?

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 08:53

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 08:38

Just google what proportion of asylum seekers are deported to Afghanistan after a crime. You’ll get reams of information as I did. You can choose to read what you like.

The Guardian is mentioned in the summary btw

Edited

I’m unsure why you’re so reticent to just say where you got this summary from. Most odd.

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 08:59

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 08:53

I’m unsure why you’re so reticent to just say where you got this summary from. Most odd.

It’s the summary you get when you google, have you used it lately?

Everybodysinthehousetonight · 09/12/2025 09:02

I have a 17 year old, I know many 17 year old boys from all nationalities. If those men are 17, I'm the fucking prime minister! 😡

BeNoisyFish · 09/12/2025 09:07

A lot of those asylum seeker young men have nothing to lose, completely different cultural and religious values to how women, consent and relationships work in the west. Of course there are evil and sexist western men who still don't respect women and consent despite having gone through the school system and being brought up in a western society.. could be from porn or incel websites grooming them... but the young asylum seeking men go through no real integration process, they are detained initially then left in hotels to sign on daily or weekly that they haven't absconded and that is it. They stick with others in the same boat....society is suspiscious and unwelcoming of them and instead of the harder route of trying to prove themselves and establish themselves as good and useful addition to the UK, they stick in their own alienated groups on the fringes of society, hating the UK while also desperate to stay in it.

Nevertheless, I do think it would be a huge backwards step and a great loss to British people if Human Rights are curtailed by politicians on the pretext that it's to protect against illegal immigrants. Rich politicians like Farage are not on your side either.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 09:11

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 08:59

It’s the summary you get when you google, have you used it lately?

Do you mean it’s AI? You’re ‘quoting’ AI?

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 09:18

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 09:11

Do you mean it’s AI? You’re ‘quoting’ AI?

You could have googled by now with all these posts bloody hell 😬

I put it in ‘ ‘ to show it was taken from elsewhere not my writing.

You can now enjoy the same, look it up read what you want.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 09:28

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 09:18

You could have googled by now with all these posts bloody hell 😬

I put it in ‘ ‘ to show it was taken from elsewhere not my writing.

You can now enjoy the same, look it up read what you want.

This explains a lot. Thanks.

EasternStandard · 09/12/2025 09:28

Going back to the deportation issue. Going by information, easily accessible to anyone, it’s unlikely for some countries eg Afghanistan.

SpaceRaccoon · 09/12/2025 09:29

Kendodd · 08/12/2025 20:47

I don't believe they do tests like bone density or teeth examinations to determine age, or has this changed? Or I'm wrong. I heard age was determined by some sort of social worker just questioning them.

Yes - proper tests are considered too demeaning so they just say they're under 18 if at all possible.

PandoraSocks · 09/12/2025 09:34

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 09:28

This explains a lot. Thanks.

Hitchen's Razor might apply, I think.