Why can’t we just hang scum like this?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2k4qd8q97eo

Worse than being a killer.

Timothy Evans and Derek Bentley

And because prison is punishment. He will be lucky not to be killed while he's in there. It will be an awful existence. He will suffer, as he should.

No one in this country goes to jail for the rest of their lives (unless they die in prison).

If they don’t die in prison then they get out.
That is bad enough when you have someone with a twisted mindset, but if they’ve been in jail for 15-20years plus a twisted mindset, then they’re going to be even more messed up.

If he gets 30 years, he’ll not need to serve all of them and could easily be in an open prison in half that time.

He is 100% guilty because there’s video evidence.
So if the death penalty was a thing, he’d be an ideal candidate.

For those who are not 100% guilty, they are able to get plea hearings and review their cases and so I do not think the death penalty is for them.

Yes, 'better than that'. That's why we incarcerate some in solitary confinement in glass cages 23 hrs a day for 46 years and counting !

I’m against death penalty, but also as someone who has been involved in legal proceedings following SA I strongly suspect that the seriousness of the death penalty would also put some people off reporting or disclosing SA

That's two male nursery workers in a few weeks who have abused children this way. Does anyone else have male nursery nurses in their child's nursery? I know it's not every man, but it's overwhelming usually men who commit these type of offences.

In your opinion.

That's not true, whole life orders exist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole_life_orders

Other prisoners with life sentences can be recalled to jail at any point once they've been released.

Because it's illogical. We imprison people for murder because killing people is wrong. Yet people will advocate killing convicted murderers "because killing people is wrong". It's nonsensical.

And I do mean euthanasia rather than execution

What's the difference ?

Hopefully someone in his prison will do the right thing.

So murder is the right thing?

Not as bad but female nurse jailed 2 months ago for child abuse
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30616ev66eo

What the fuck else are we supposed to do with these scumbags then? Pat them on the head, put them up at the Ritz and let them plant flowers and watch telly for a few years?

I am very divided on this one.

Part of me is in favour of the death penalty being an option for the prisoner. Life or death. Life in prison or go now, your choice.

I wouldn't choose hanging as the method though.

But if I had to serve on a Jury and my choice could potentially lead to someone having a death sentence given to them, then I couldn't say hand on heart whether I would still confidently find someone guilty.

That's because people think they are reacting emotionally.

Of course the whole fucking point of having a legal system is to remove emotion and (try to) interpose some logic and rationality to achieve justice. And it comes as a surprise to (some) people when they learn to read that "justice" is not a synonym for "vengeance".

By all means, let's have a vengeance system instead. I've already bought shares in baseball bat retailers.

Not the same. Im taking about sexual abuse. There have been 3 high profile cases in the last few months - all male nursery workers!

If I were on a jury and there was a chance of the death penalty then it would be a not guilty verdict from me.

It's telling that the US states that have capital punishment also have to weed out peoples consciences.

John Stewart Mill argued the death penalty was more humane than life imprisonment and offered the taxpayer greater utility. But I think we just became too squeamish about it.

Just came on to say similar. Add to that 23 hour lock up, over crowding, old crumbling prisons with poor conditions. There's a myth that they all have play stations. Only those with enhanced prisoner status can have one and they must save for them out their wages and can only be purchased from the prison service and are very expensive.

He will have to answer to God for his crimes, and I don't know how he can ever redeem himself. He has tarnished his own soul, that is worse than death

Aren't some Gods quite big on forgiveness and repentance ? He may have a fairly cool God ?

I don't understand that mindset, I really don't.

You want him to suffer. You say it's right that he suffers, (as long as it's other criminals doing the punishing if I've read that correctly) how is that the mark of a civilised society??

Surely euthanasia is a far more humane outcome than the one you are advocating for?

Talking about Robert Maudsley of course. A killer who should be given a long, long sentence like any other killer, but keeping someone in a glass cage is just sadistic, sort of thing they'd do in some of the most revolting parts of the ME.

W can't go around hanging people because as a society we decided to be better than that.

If a fellow inmate hanged him of stabbed him, would I be sad? Hell no. Good riddance to him. But state sanctioned murder is not a route I want us to go down. Vengeance isn't a wise way to run society.

If my loved one was murdered, it would bring me no comfort at all that the perpetrator would face the death penalty.
State sanctioned murder is still murder.