Why can’t we just hang scum like this?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2k4qd8q97eo

Worse than being a killer.

I don’t understand how this keeps happening.

Its not enough to ban male workers, as many females have been convicted of things too.

There needs to be no space where workers are alone.
Why can’t nappy changing areas be in the main room or with a small curtain across for privacy.

We’re not allowed phones in my workplace and so this could be an option but I guess that’s how they get convicted through the evidence.

Babies and toddlers just shouldn't be handed over to strangers to look after day in day out

I agree that there are some vile people who have done some horrible things, and I truly hope their last moments on earth are brutal and they suffer. But this country abolished the death penalty because it was considered inhumane and like it or not, monsters like this one are humans. To reinstate it is a slippery slope. Not just because of the risk of wrongful convictions, but because we lose our humanity. Maybe other laws would be changed too? Not so long ago I remember reading an article where there was talk of making it illegal to save the lives of immigrants crossing the channel.

I'd quite happily do it

The major factor in my thinking on this is that juries were increasingly reluctant to convict in capital cases before abolition.

“They later found the video evidence of sexual abuse of children at the nursery, some of which had been filmed on nursery iPads.”

There is video footage of him committing his crimes. There is nothing to dispute here.

You didn't read my post did you? I wasn't suggesting HE wasn't guilty but that a confession doesn't AUTOMATICALLY mean someone in a case is guilty. It's scarily common for people to confess to stuff they didn't do for all sorts of reasons.

But in this case, he is 100% guilty. So his confession, or whether they’re a sound basis for conviction, is neither here nor there.

I'm not arguing he isn't guilty, I don't know why you seem to think I am? I was speaking GENERALLY about confessions and how they cannot be used as a basis for guilt. There needs to be other evidence which, in this case, there is.

He’ll also likely be getting the shit kicked out of him, sexually assaulted and slashed every other day, living in fear of the next attack.

The Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6 all confessed. Mind you, those confessions were obtained through the use of were obtained through coercion, police brutality, threats, and torture.

But yeah, they confessed so should have been executed.

But this thread is about this specific case. And the certainty of his guilt.

We don’t need to muddy the waters by discussing other cases with less bullet proof evidence.

You seem very angry about being told this.

Hopefully.

This thread started as a duscussion on this case yes. But the scope has widened to debating the death penalty in general which is why I brought up the confession angle because I so often see people suggesting that if someone has confessed they must be guilty. And it's an interesting rabbit hole to go down, about how false confessions are more common than one might think.

Because we’re a civilised country.

Because even state sanctioned murder is wrong, regardless of the crime.

Because it clearly does not deter crime.

Because we are getting rid of jury trials and it’ll be the Wild West run by judges with the world’s most bizarre ideas about justice soon enough.

Not sure that would apply to A Rudukubana. Seems pretty clear he did it.

Nor does it apply to this case.

Sure, it may be. But how do you define "pretty clear" in other cases?

A conviction of murder is a conviction of murder, regardless of clarity, and would, in your world, carry the death penalty. Will we only convict of murder in cases like Rudukubanas? Will all the other less-clear-but-still-probable murderers now walk free because we can't convict them where it means the death penalty? Or do we take the risk of sentencing innocent people to death?

But with the technology, DNA etc that we have today it would be virtually impossible to wrongly hang someone.

I don’t agree with the death penalty. But I also won’t shed a tear if he gets dealt with in prison.

Virtually impossible? So not completely impossible then.

He won’t be under threat in one of the UK’s dedicated sex offender prisons

did you know that there are many seperate prisons for just sex offenders? No prisons exclusively for any other crime

i don’t know any prison staff who would continue to work in a prison that had the DP. I certainly wouldn’t be part of it. Prison service is already short staffed and has no money for a DP…they are costly

There will never be support for the restoration of the death penalty in the House of Commons, it is an academic question nowadays.

Many legal professionals could only stand doing one capital trial

The stress was to much

Marshall Hall the defence barrister was the exception to the rule but he managed to save most of his clients